What is this

Martin Shaw

Western Thunderer
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At first glance this gives the appearance of an SR Fairburn tank, certainly it is numbered so, I'm not so sure.
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As can be seen the bunker sides taper whereas I think on a Fairburn they are parallel. If it isn't as looks, how do you think it looks as a Stanier 4MT? The paint job is horrible and would need redoing.

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The chassis is old, it's missing a set of driving wheels, a wheel from the pony truck and a wheel from the bogie, and it had a massive 3 pole Bonds motor. I'm not intending to do anything to this, in fact it's last on a very long list, but I may order wheels and a chassis kit from JPL for the future.

Regards
Martin
 

76043

Western Thunderer
Definitely the Stanier variety. The footplating as Steph says is the clincher
Tony
 

Martin Shaw

Western Thunderer
I had a suspicion, thanks for the confirmation chaps. It is a massive job to redo and I might well not bother, there is a Black 5, a 9F, the 700, 20003, the D15 and any number of my own purchases to touch first. I opened a previously untouched box last night and found a Connossieur Toad E partly done, and two ABS kits partly done, my past is finding me out.
Regards
Martin
 

Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
Definitely Stanier 3 cylinder, motion plate is reverse way around to a Fairburn, amongst many other differences !
It has a limousine cab, full height door, later loco's had different shaped door opening and short door.

Col.
 

Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
All 37 of the 3 cylinder Stanier tanks were built specifically for the LT&SR. in 1934 I believe.
We still have 2500 at York, if I one the Euro millions I'd pay to have her rebuilt back into steam :D

Col.
 

Martin Shaw

Western Thunderer
That is interesting Col, and raises another question, are there any significant differences below the running plate compared to a 2 cyl version, apart from the model not having a middle cylinder obviously. I am considering a JPL chassis kit as a starting point, but I think a book may be necessary, really don't know enough about them. I agree about 2500, superb looking loco.
Regards
Martin
 

Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
Apart from the motion plate and cylinder dia. they had the same wheel base, wheel dia. and piston stroke. The chassis frames may have been the same profile under neath but they are different at the front end in front of the smoke box.
The boilers were the same.

One I built some time ago, Ex L.M.S. Stanier 3 cyl. 2-6-4 4MT / B.R. 42513 pictures by Heather Kavanaugh

Some nice shots here ....Loco 42500 LMS 2500 Stanier 4MT 2-6-4T tank engine Steam Locomotive images photos pictures photographs

Here's the front end of a 2 cyl. job for comparison

Stanier 2 cyl. 4MT 42444.jpg

and 3 cyl.

Stanier 3 cyl.4MT 2501.jpg

Col.
 

Bobbiskit

Member
The picture of 2501 is included in Whitehead's own book, "The Midland in the 1930s", and is said to be at Radlett (Midland Mainline) when new. HE adds, " quite a number of these well thought of engines spent considerable time in their earelier days on the St Pancras, St Albans and Luton main line". It doesn't yet have the destination board holders fitted for use on the LTSR line.
 

LarryG

Western Thunderer
All remained domeless although at least one did carry a domed boiler for a time between general repairs.
 

Martin Shaw

Western Thunderer
I have some feelers out for the relevant Essery & Jenkinson volume, are there any other useful books I might consider? Thanks for the info Larry, as in many of the models that came my way there seems to have been some compromise.
Regards
Martin
 

Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
I have info. somewhere, which I can't find at present, that suggested that there were no spare boilers for the three cyl.Staniers, so they fitted 2513 and another ( not sure of the number) with the later boiler from the Stanier two cyl loco's, with the benefit of increased heating surface area, but gave them two spares for the rest of the fleet and I believe this is why these two carried domes.
Col.
 

Martin Shaw

Western Thunderer
At the moment, despite not wanting to do anything with it, I might well dunk the body in the cellulose thinners to see what's there. As it stands the model is not worth much to anybody, missing wheels, false identity, a dome that might not supposed to be there, and a tar brush paint job to boot. It will help decide whether investment in bits is worth it.
Martin
 

Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
It's obviously a coarse scale model, it may be better if you have the inclination, to restore it as such, strip the paint and give it a decent coat and move it on.
Col.
 

simond

Western Thunderer
Given the missing axle & wheels, I’d be tempted to get a set of Slaters’ wheels & a modern motor/gearbox - it’ll always be what it is, but at least it can then be run on most club layouts, and would then be more saleable, I guess. The motion looks nicely chunky, it’ll probably look the part with a decent paint job. And the remaining coarse scale bits & motor would probably sell for enough to cover some of the costs.

atb
Simon
 
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