2014 Wagon Competition - "build a Peco wagon" competition

Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
This year the S7 Group is celebrating 25 years since founding... with a national meeting at Mark, Somerset, on 18th October at which the S7 "Challenge 33" layout competition is to be judged. The Challenge 33 competition is about building a Scaleseven layout to fit within 33 square feet of baseboard surface. Current estimate is that there are eight layouts to be judged and some of those layouts are topics of Western Thunder.

Details of the meeting can be found here.

Announced in the recent S7 Newsletter, there is an extra competition which is open to any S7 Group member (non-members see below). The competition is simple... turn up with one wagon built from a Peco 7mm Wagon Kit. The only rule is that the wagon must be built to run on S7 track to a gauge of 33mm (or 49mm if the kit has been modified to represent a broad gauge prototype).

One Peco wagon, fitted with S7 wheels, painted (with / without weathering), with whatever additional detail is appropriate to the prototype as represented by the model.

If any modeller - who is not currently a member of the S7 Group - wishes to bring along a model that has been built as described above then:-

A/ A non-member can enter the model in the competition provided that the person joins the society before judging commences for the "Build a Peco Wagon" competition;

B/ A non-member can place the model alongside the entries for the "Build a Peco Wagon" competition although the model shall not be considered as being an entry in that competition.

Four weeks to build a wagon from a plastic kit - seems fair enough.

regards, Graham
 
Caggers

Caggers

Western Thunderer
Graham,

On the 'Build a Peco Wagon' competition, are there any specific rules? for example;

How much of the finished model should have come from the parts in the box, excluding the wheels?

Could I also suggest that the next build a wagon competition uses a brand which offers a wider range of wagons as none of the Peco range would be seen running in the pre-nationalisation North Eastern area? Just a suggestion...

Cheers
Simon
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Simon,

The only rule is that the wagon, recognisable as a product from the Peco 7mm wagon range, must have S7 wheels and run on S7 track. How deviant do you wish to be?

Rob - nothing.

Both - restricting the competition to only models made from Peco kits provides something of a level playing field, maybe expanding the scope of kits might make for a more interesting competion at the expense of simplicity and ease of judging. An annual competetion on similar lines (tracks?) could be on the cards dependant upon the success of this year - for example:- 5 plank mineral wagons with dumb buffers... or NER hoppers on a demo track showing the result of juveniles playing with the hopper gear.

Just remember Rob, you shall have to join the group to enter a competition.

regards, Graham
 
Caggers

Caggers

Western Thunderer
Graham,

I just wanted to clarify the position on the content of the finished product. For example at a recent meeting I went to one of the modellers had some trucks which had fully sprung suspension, which if fitted to the underside of a Peco wagon would blow the socks of the competition. This would still be recognisable as a Peco wagon, but with additional appropriate detail added...

As to the 'Build a Peco', I can understand the 'restricted breadth of kits' but this limitation is possibly 'too limited' my suggestion would be to 'Build a Parkside Dundas' (I have no affiliation). It could be restricted to only using the parts in the box, but it would give us non GW modellers more options. If needed you could restrict the 'type' of wagon... But these ideas are for the future not this year.

One further question, do you have to be present to enter?

Cheers
Simon
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Caggers said:
I just wanted to clarify the position on the content of the finished product. For example at a recent meeting I went to one of the modellers had some trucks which had fully sprung suspension, which if fitted to the underside of a Peco wagon would blow the socks of the competition. This would still be recognisable as a Peco wagon, but with additional appropriate detail added...

As to the 'Build a Peco', I can understand the 'restricted breadth of kits' but this limitation is possibly 'too limited' my suggestion would be to 'Build a Parkside Dundas' (I have no affiliation). It could be restricted to only using the parts in the box, but it would give us non GW modellers more options. If needed you could restrict the 'type' of wagon... But these ideas are for the future not this year.

One further question, do you have to be present to enter?
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Simon,

My understanding of the Committee discussion which conceived the competition is that building a wagon with changes to the suspension is acceptable. Adding to a kit is not a problem... replacing or omitting the axleguards, solebars, floor, sides, ends and roof (if supplied) might fall foul of the need for the model to be a recognisable Peco product.

There are other wagons in the Peco range than those which ran in GWR livery - for example there is a BR steel mineral wagon, now I think BR built a fair few of those and one or two might have got further north than Brum.

The question of the builder being present was not discussed - if you build a wagon I can proxy the entry for you.

regards, Graham
 
Osgood

Osgood

Western Thunderer
Caggers said:
Graham,

I just wanted to clarify the position on the content of the finished product. For example at a recent meeting I went to one of the modellers had some trucks which had fully sprung suspension, which if fitted to the underside of a Peco wagon would blow the socks of the competition. …..
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Erm - I thought the Peco wagons (e.g. 16T mineral) - other than those previously sold as Webster - have fully sprung suspension built in?

(runs off to check pile of Ironstone Tippler boxes and breath sigh of relief):thumbs:
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
This was meant to be such a simple competition... shake the box, spill some solvent, paint to choice and plonk on the judging table.

Where did the idea go wrong?

Tony - please feel free to check the contents of your pile of Peco boxes... just make sure that you choose a box which has parts within when commencing your entry for the competition.
 
BrushType4

BrushType4

Western Thunderer
Graham, may I ask, what is the S7 standard for narrow gauge if I wanted to build one of the excellent Peco 7mm narrow gauge kits?

Runs and hides....... :)
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
BrushType4 said:
... what is the S7 standard for narrow gauge if I wanted to build one of the excellent Peco 7mm narrow gauge kits?
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At last, a sensible question about the scope of the competition...

S7 modelling is about building an accurate model using the scale of 7mm:12inches in three dimensions. If you have measurements of prototype gauge, tyre profile and similar then you can produce a narrow gauge equivalent of the S7 Standards (see S7 web site). Build your model to the show, along with information to demonstrate adherance to the prinicples of S7 modelling, and enjoy the distinction of being uni-queue.

Or is there a smatttering of pedantism in the question?
 
Caggers

Caggers

Western Thunderer
Erm - I thought the Peco wagons (e.g. 16T mineral) - other than those previously sold as Webster - have fully sprung suspension built in?
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Having never built one I do not know, but I bet they are not fully functional leaf springs.:)

My point was that if someone was allowed to build a fully functional leaf spring chassis under the Peco wagon top, it would be a great model (unless I built it) and would be a lot closer to the original, but would not necessarily represent the Peco kit at it's completest...

Graham,
There are other wagons in the Peco range than those which ran in GWR livery - for example there is a BR steel mineral wagon, now I think BR built a fair few of those and one or two might have got further north than Brum.
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my earlier question...
pre-nationalisation North Eastern area?
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therefore were they brought back by Dr Who in his Tardis???;)

Anyway I do not want to spoil this topic any more as I think it is a good idea, and might give the impetus to some to 'get some modelling done'...:D

Graham, take a guess which one I am going to build...
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Caggers said:
... take a guess which one I am going to build...
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If you are intent on pre-nationailisation in the North East then the answer ought to be either the 12T covered goods wagon or the 4-plank open.

Knowing your sense of humour I guess that you shall be offering the BR pig iron wagon... complete with Gloucester Old Spots and sty.
 
Caggers

Caggers

Western Thunderer
If you are intent on pre-nationalisation in the North East then the answer ought to be either the 12T covered goods wagon or the 4-plank open.
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neither of which Peco produce a kit for...

And no to BR and pepper the pigs cousin...

So now you will have to wait and see.:D I just have to find a supplier, none of the local haunts supply O Gauge Peco stuff other than track.
 
Wagonman

Wagonman

Western Thunderer
Caggers said:
Graham,

Could I also suggest that the next build a wagon competition uses a brand which offers a wider range of wagons as none of the Peco range would be seen running in the pre-nationalisation North Eastern area? Just a suggestion...
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Any of the GWR wagons produced by Peco (except the brake vans, obviously) could, and would, have been seen in the pre-nationalisation North Eastern area thanks to the common user agreement. So, no excuse!


Richard
 
Caggers

Caggers

Western Thunderer
Richard,

I am not looking for excuses, and have today ordered my kit. However, my preference would have been a more local wagon...

Let the modelling commence!!!
:thumbs:
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Many moons ago, before the water under the bridge had aged like the brew from up t'north, a member of the S7 Group provided an article on building the Peco GWR covered wagon for publication in the S7 Newsletter, I think this was in the early-mid 1990s. I recall that this article identified the possibilities for different examples from the S, V and Y diagram series given the deficiencies in the kit as supplied. At a later date the ALSRM published the same text in their house magasine (circa 2004).

Today the article has been included in the Files section of the GWR discussion group on Yahoo.

For those with a more adventurous streak the MRJ published an article, by Jim Snowdon circa 1996, on using two of the kits to produce an example of the longer Minks (those built in the Edwardian era).
 
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