7mm Miscellany

P A D

Western Thunderer
Nick,
It's home made from two short lengths of wood as mentioned in the thread.

Here's something else that may be of interest. They are called cup burrs and I found them by chance on the internet so got a couple to give them a try.
They are used for tidying up the ends of wire after snipping with side cutters. The cups have "blades " on the inside that round off the end of the wire by inserting the wire and spinning the burr in a drill. I got them for rounding off BA brass screws after shortening.

There are various sizes and I have the 2 3mm and 1.8mm but they go smaller than that. 2.3 mm will round off a 10BA but as yet I've not found any bigger that would do 8BA. The company is Cooksongold, no link but just Google them and they'll pop up.
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Moving on to adding weight to model locos, I purchased a few pounds of lead shot from a diving supplies shop recently as it's about half the price of "liquid lead" from modelling outlets. The idea was to put it into some sort of fabric tube, tie it off and insert into the boiler, in the case of my Gladiator Duchess. For the tube I decided to try a tubular finger bandage. First tie off one end. Then thread the open end onto a funnel and pour in the lead shot until full. Tie off the open end and thread into the boiler via the firebox. The below tube is about 6 inches long and weighs 2 pounds, which increased the weight of the loco to 4 pounds which should be plenty for it to pull a decent load. I'll bring it to Kettering and give a buzz around the test track.
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I'll be doing the same to the Finney A3 and MOK 4MT after painting. For the A4 j can add sheet lead into the boiler casing.
Another finishing off job on the Duchess was to paint the balance weights on the driving wheels. The wheels were only chemically blackened and not sent over to Warren Haywood for painting with the rest of the model. The balance weights looked a bit brown compared to the rims so I've painted them with some Humbrol black 85, with a couple of drops of white added to make the black less intense.
Any excuse to post pictures of the Duchess.:thumbs:
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That Mr. Haywood does a spray a nice drop (or two) of paint.
Cheers,
Peter
 

P A D

Western Thunderer
Had to break off from the T3 today to do some spraying jobs for my bbrothr Mick. Some dirtying /weathering of his 08s and the chassis of his Derby Lightweight and giving his Tower Models Class 20 its top coat of BR green.
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Some closer views of the Class 20. The build was originally started by me and then passed back to Mick who finished it off. Big chunks of cast metal are not my thing.
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It will be in the original all over BR green so no masking for the roof was needed. It still has the masking on the windows though.
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And ends. The working headcode discs have still to be fitted after painting the back face white.20190619_191524.jpg

The 08s were both built and painted by me, the green one from the MMP kit and the black one from Acorn Models.
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And the other sides. More work with weathering powders will be done by Mick.
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Cheers,
Peter
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
It will be in the original all over BR green so no masking for the roof was needed. It still has the masking on the windows though

Hmm, not sure about that. I stand to be corrected, but all my references show the roof and bonnet on the EE Type 1s were grey right from the outset. Only when repainted corporate blue did that change, I believe.
 

SimonT

Western Thunderer
Heather,
what about the EE Type 3s? I've seen some with grey and some with green roofs. Of course B & W photos don't help. Do you have any details that could help me avoid Horlicks with the one I'm painting green at the moment.

Peter, apologies for the rabbit hole!

Simon
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
what about the EE Type 3s?

I just did a quick squint through my books, and it is indeed hard to tell from B&W images. The best I can find is an ex-works photo of D6713, split headcode boxes. You can make out a difference of colour on the cab roof at the top of the windscreen. It appears to show a grey roof line following the gutter along the cab side, then a similar line along the body above the side grilles.

The following snaps are reproduced here for educational and information purposes. Copyright remains with the owners.

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There’s just a hint of variant between the body and roof colours behind the cab door here.

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Note the different colours clearly shown here around the windscreen and on to the roof.

Apologies for the rabbit hole, as Simon said.
 

P A D

Western Thunderer
Simon, no probs.

Warren, thanks for the input. I've sent Mick a text and no doubt he's rifling through his reference works.

Cheers,
Peter
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
All the colour images of EE Type 1s in original livery I can find are so filthy it’s impossible to tell what colour the cab roof is. It generally appears a darker grey to the bonnet is all I can say! Most of my references describe the livery as Brunswick green with light grey cab and bonnet roof, and that’s the way most RTR 4mm models have been painted that I’ve seen.

As ever, I could well be wrong. Perhaps someone might be able to turn up the official painting guidelines from the archives?

I found a lovely Type 3 in colour earlier which confirms my earlier post for Simon.
 

SimonT

Western Thunderer
I have a set of photos of the area given to me by Fred Lewis. In colour I have this.
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From the allocations, my chosen loco is D6820 and I have this photo taken shortly after it moved north.
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Not exactly helpful! The hand painted yellow panel is a must though.
The above photographs are reproduced here for educational and information purposes. Copyright remains with the owners.

Thanks Peter.

Simon
 

Andrew Thompson

Western Thunderer
Hi all

If you take a look at flicker BR diesels in the 1960s page 5 and scroll down their is a picture of a class 37 D 6851 in 1963 fresh out of works with a grey roof that's not to say all were out shopped like this .

Happy viewing.

Andrew
 

LarryG

Western Thunderer
EE Type 1's had light grey bonnet/green cab roof from new, but at least D8053 had a grey cab roof by 22 July 1963. EE Type 3's had grey roof also to just behind cab windows.

British Thomson-Houston Type 1's had green all over the top, but some also got pale blue-grey cab ends. Bufferbeams red of course.

It seems every class of Diesel had its own standard livery when new, and the further we move away from the 1950/60's the less people know. But there are books around showing how things were as turned out of works. Almost anything can be deduced from some black & white photos.
 
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Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
Almost anything can be deduced from some black & white photos.

Indeed! I frequent another forum that covers mostly plastic kit construction, and the length (and circularity) of discussions over interpreting black and white images of aircraft and their camouflage and markings is a sight to behold.
 
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