4mm BR Standard Class 2, 2-6-2 tank, in P4

Dave Holt

Western Thunderer
Seeing as progress with my Ivatt 2 tank is so glacially slow that there is no visible (or even invisible) progress to report, I thought I might post something about one or two of my other loco projects which are now complete.
I'll start with the BR Standard version of the Class 2 tank which, like its full sized equivalent, shares a lot in common with the Ivatt predecessor.
In this case, the model is based on a DJH kit rather than the Bachmann RTR body. As is typical of DJH, the kit is a mix of etched sheet and white metal castings, the quality of which is generally good. However, there are exceptions as I discovered after assembling the basic tank/cab/footplate assembly. The original intention was to make a new chassis using hand cut frames. The valve gear presented a problem because the DJH parts were already part assembled and didn't really meet my aspirations. Whilst I pondered the issue, Comet produced their chassis kit for the Bachmann Ivatt, so the solution was at hand. Comparison of the Comet frames and part assembled body caused some consternation when the frames were found to be 2 mm longer than the body. A dimensional check of the scale drawings showed that the body was short and, in effect, the whole error was in the length of the cab. Sods law, the error was spread over several parts of the cab, so the only viable option appeared to be to widen the cab opening and live with the resulting inaccuracies.
Modification of the part built body didn't really seem practical, so a second kit was purchased so the tank/cab/bunker etching could be modified in the flat, before folding the sides up. A suitable width fillet strip was inserted after cutting right across the etch, in the cab opening. Great care, and use of straight edges, helped ensure proper alignment during soldering in of the fillet. Of course, this modification would mean the cab doors and roof would no longer fit, but that could be sorted later.
A difference between the Bachmann and DJH bodies was that the former uses a full length chassis, whereas the latter is designed to have short frames from the front of the cylinders to just behind the rear coupled wheels, with the parts of the chassis over the pony trucks being part of the body. I decided to stick with this arrangement as it works just as well but results in the bearing pintles for the trucks being attached to the body rather than the chassis.
Otherwise, the two models are very similar in construction, with detailed differences to reflect the use of BR standard components in some areas.
Here is the basic tanks/cab/bunker/footplate unit, without the boiler. This is as far as the first attempt got, although that earlier version didn't have any of the pipework, steps, buffers, etc., seen here.
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As with the Ivatt, the cylinders and valve gear are a separate assembly. The two different types of truck are also shown. In this case, they are based on the Brassmasters iten with one modified to represent the swing link type.
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As mentioned, the frames are short, just making an 0-6-0! The keeper and brake rigging are similar to the Ivatt.
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My original idea to lengthen the cab roof was to use the two cast white metal items I had (from the two kits). I pondered for some time how to be able to cut and shut the two castings to result in a neat, square job. In the end, I decided to get an etched brass roof made as part of a series of bespoke etchings I commissioned from Rumney Models (other parts included balance weights, push-pull vacuum diaphragm support brackets, tank retaining straps, lamp irons, shed/SC plate mounting and maybe others I can't remember just now!).
Here's the body with roof on and most of the other details added. I'm rather pleased with the push-pull gear and associated piping. The only parts of the original DJH kit are the vertical steam pipe covers, and even they had to be lengthened with some plastic card packers. Most of the brass boiler fittings are Alan Gibson castings but the brake ejector is scratch built from umpteen parts.
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Finally, some shots of the finished loco, painted, lined and weathered by David Clarke. Crew are from the rather nice Modelu range.
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Dave.
 

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P A D

Western Thunderer
Superb Dave!

I tell you what, you write a lot more than I do in my posts. The odd word here and there is all I write between the photos, as I know this lot on here just look at the pictures. :D

The cab discrepancies found their way onto the 7mm models, which I believe are just scaled up versions of the smaller ones. I know on the BR Std 2 mogul, the cylinders are set too wide suggesting spacing scales up from the 00 gauge frames.

I don't know how you guys in the smaller scales can build, such fine models. It would certainly tax my patience getting all that detail into such tiny spaces.

I took a load of photos of an Ivatt class 2 parked up in the Mid Hants loco yard, so I must check them to see if the pony truck differences you mention are visible in any of them.

Cheers,
Peter.
 

Dave Holt

Western Thunderer
Peter,
Thanks for your kind comments. You are absolutely right about some of the smaller details - I have to use my reading glasses and an illuminated magnifying glass to stand a chance of seeing this stuff. I have an Optivisor head band thingy, but just can't get on with it.
I'm envious of your Ivatt 2 tank photos as I've struggled to see some of the details for my 4 mm version. When I went to the Mid Hants, the loco was in bits, scattered around the yard, so I did manage to get some photos of the bits you don't normally see, including the pony truck frames, which I was also able to measure up and sketch.

I've just noticed that there is a small image below my post with the full sized images. Perhaps I forgot to insert that photo into the text. Also, I had originally intended to include quite a few more photos but, as I uploaded them, I got a warning message, something about a maximum of 15 files, so I had to delete the excess. Perhaps that's just the limit for any one post, so here is a further selection.
This is the one I forgot to insert, showing the underside of the body with the end sections of the frames and pony truck bearing pintles.
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The two different types of truck.
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Boiler unit.
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The assembled, painted chassis, also showing the electrical connection for the motor and DCC chip.
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Finally, and earlier shot of the BR Standard and Ivatt tanks together, showing both the similarities and differences.
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Dave.
 

adrian

Flying Squad
Thanks for posting some nice detailing on the locos.
You are absolutely right about some of the smaller details - I have to use my reading glasses and an illuminated magnifying glass to stand a chance of seeing this stuff.
I have a 2mm Dapol body and a Nigel Hunt 2mmFS chassis for it - seeing these I feel I really ought to have a go at putting it together but I will have to double up on the reading glasses!!

Perhaps that's just the limit for any one post
It is I'm afraid - 15 images per post. More than that then you start to get slow load times for people on a slow connection, as long as you are aware of the limit then as you found out just split the images over a couple of posts.
 
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