Civil Airliners - or Now for Something Completely Different

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Hi Graham,

'The Peggy Bedford' was the pub which stands at the junction of where the A30 diverges from the A4 at Hounslow

Mike

The Peggy Bedford was still there when I retired, but as I've not been back since then I don't know whether it survives.

When I was working a corporate decision was made that we should have a "Disaster Recovery Plan". Actually not such a stupid idea when we were so close to the airport with the associated security implications. The runway alongside the M4, 27R, was in easy reach of a mortar fired from our roof! In fact the IRA did just that from a car park along the road. There was also the risk of a plane mistaking the A4 for a runway, so we included that. And within the year a 747 lined up on the A4 for a landing! See Incident Boeing 747-136 G-AWNO, 21 Nov 1989

Missed us, though.:)

Brian
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
A nice collection of photos Brian.

Interesting to note the simplicity of design of the BEA and BOAC colour schemes - far better than that introduced after their merger into BA.

Seeing BEA and BOAC here reminds me my sister and myself used to have these style flight bags way back in the midst of time.

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I agree, Dave. I always loved that blue and gold of the BOAC. So refined compared with Pan American.:p

B
 

SimonT

Western Thunderer
The 707 nose is higher, in the middle of the face with the cockpit windows appearing as a frown. The DC-8 has a low nose as does the Convair 880, but that was a rare beast. It also had a deep fin and this has a thin fin, so it is a DC-8. Sorry, we did lots of recce during the cold war.
Simon
 

JimG

Western Thunderer
Brian,

Being a BBC film crew member m Scotland in the 1960s and 1970s meant that very often I got to be up close and personal with BEA Viscounts for travel to the Outer Isles and the Orkneys and Shetlands, so seeing some pictures of them brings back lots of memories. One that I do remember quite clearly was a flight from Inverness back to Glasgow on a Viscount. After take off, the captain annouced that he would take us the scenic route and we then flew down Loch Ness at probably about 3000ft, passing Ben Nevis below its peak, a quick left hand down then right hand down to come off Loch Linnhe into Loch Leven, over Ballachulish past the Buachaille level with its peak and down Glen Coe to Rannoch Moor. Then he get a bit more height to get over the mountain range to the north of the Clyde. It was a beautiful day and the flight was very smooth. I'm not sure if that flight would have been in BEA's standard operating procedures. :)

We once did a programme on air traffic control in Scotland and we spent a fair bit of time at the control room at Prestwick. There I do remember one of the senior staff saying that Scottish air transport had one of the best safety records primarily because almost every airport in the country had some problem which meant that air crews had to be wide awake to land or take off. Like taking off from Sumburgh on the original runway where the runway pointed SSE over Sumburgh Head and as you took off the ground came up with you such that your height above ground stayed much the same until you crossed the Head and the sheer cliffs fell away to the sea.

The other aircraft in Scotland at the time were the BEA Heralds for the Tiree run and the Loganair Islanders and Skyvans. I once saw one of the flight crew on a Herald having to do some maintenance on an engine with the covers open on the sand at Tiree. We were in a Loganair Skyvan and we took off before we saw if he finished the job but he must have since I believe it would have been a write off if it didn't beat the tide.

Jim.
 
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Peter Cross

Western Thunderer
I've just remembered my mates dad worked for BEA maintenance up at Heathrow when we were kids. Not sure what he did but must of been higher up the ladder. He always had new cars including a big Citroen. Not many foreign cars in our street back then.
 

Overseer

Western Thunderer
Thanks for the photos Brian. I remember the Ipec Argosy's at Essendon airport during the 1980s, there were 3 or 4 in the fleet. There are a fair few photos online of them in the yellow with black livery. Ipec was a parcel courier (still exists owned by Toll but no planes) and the advertising slogan at the time was 'I pick Ipec'. We used to wonder if the slogan was dreamt up by a New Zealander. I also saw Comets in operation in India in 1989 with the Indian Airforce, I was amazed at the time having read about the structural issues with the earlier ones but very nice looking planes.
 

daifly

Western Thunderer
'The Peggy Bedford' was the pub which stands at the junction of where the A30 diverges from the A4 at Hounslow, known locally as 'Henly's Roundabout - due to the garage located there.
If you were coming into Heathrow landing on runway 27R it would be below you, just off of the port wing tip - in an A380, further out if you were in a Viscount
Sorry Mike - 09L not 27R! On 27R it’s off the starboard wingtip just after liftoff.
Dave
 

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
Water injection I believe, used to watch the older RC and KC-135s at Mildenhall with PW's, which may explain why I'm a bit mutton jeff now.
Not sure about that Mick. I may well be wrong, but I can't think of any airliners othet than very early 707s that had cold water injection.
Steph
 

daifly

Western Thunderer
Not sure about that Mick. I may well be wrong, but I can't think of any airliners othet than very early 707s that had cold water injection.
Steph
Sorry Steph - you are! The Trident 2 (see G-AVFB above) had water injection used with RR Spey engines! On Brian's flight deck photo above, below the engine instruments and between the Slat and Flap gauges there are three green lights which came on to show that the system was functioning correctly. The water ran out at about 1500' after T/O!
Dave
 
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adrian

Flying Squad
Pratt and Whitney engines smoking like a Deltic.

Water injection I believe, used to watch the older RC and KC-135s at Mildenhall with PW's,
Unfortunately I can't find any online sources to back up my apocryphal story but when I was at college for our propulsion lectures we had two rather senior engineers from Roll Royce as guest lecturers and the stories they told were fantastic. One was Geoff "Oscar" Wilde who gets a mention as the test engineer when Stanley Hooker was designing the 2 stage compressor for the Merlin engine during the war.

Anyway Geoff was rather dismissive of the early American gas turbine engines because for the axial flow compressors you have to manage the airflow rather carefully to prevent stall on the numerous inlet stages. When the engine was accelerating the American solution was to use inlet bleed valves to exhaust excess air from the compressor stage into the bypass flow whereas the the Rolls Royce solution was to use variable geometry inlet guide vanes to manage the air flow. I do remember him saying that the reason that the American engines were "dirtier" was due to this compressor inlet bleed valve design.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Not sure about that Mick. I may well be wrong, but I can't think of any airliners other than very early 707s that had cold water injection.
Steph
J75 (JT3C) engines were fitted to 707, 720 and DC8, all as far as I recall used water injection, as well as a lot of US military aircraft of the day. The JT93D (had to look model number up) also used water injection when fitted to B747 100/200. I think some older B52 models still employ it and I'm sure the AWACs I saw at Mildenhall a few years back still had it when doing T&G's, though not employed, but the volume was there for that type of engine.

Adrian, wouldn't dispute that, but there's dirty and down right XXX filthy, water injection takes smoke to whole new level....as well as volume :D
 
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