Crane Locomotives

Discussion in 'S7 Group' started by spikey faz, 23 June 2020.

  1. spikey faz

    spikey faz Western Thunderer

    Do you know what sort of capacity? I'm thinking a ton?

    Mike
     
  2. Overseer

    Overseer Western Thunderer

    Sorry, I don't know. There are photos of square tubs and round tubs in use but I don't remember seeing any capacity markings. My knowledge of NSW railway matters is limited.
     
  3. Marc Dobson

    Marc Dobson Western Thunderer

    Mike
    Do you think I should start a separate thread? NSWGR stock?

    Marc
     
  4. Marc Dobson

    Marc Dobson Western Thunderer

    Are the data sheets as good as the drawings in the book? I'm looking at the locos and some of the older coaches.

    Marc
     
  5. Overseer

    Overseer Western Thunderer

    Yes, he has put a lot of work into them over decades.
     
  6. Marc Dobson

    Marc Dobson Western Thunderer

    Time to go shopping then! I feel a project coming on.

    Marc
     
  7. oldravendale

    oldravendale Western Thunderer

    One of my hobbies is collecting cigarette cards. They are wonderful tiny bits of art in miniature and the details on the reverse are a sort of Wikipedia of their day. Here's one from the 1924 set of Wills's "Railways Engines". There was also another updated set of different locos produced in 1936.

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    I then fell down the inevitable rabbit hole and found this - relevant, perhaps, to another thread so please forgive the brief diversion. This is from Wills's "Railway Equipment" of 1938.
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    As a side comment, cigarette cards are great things to collect. They are extremely colourful and for the most part inexpensive. A set of one of the really common and less interesting subjects will set you back £5, most sets are in the £20 to £50 range although it's also true that sometimes they'll go up to £100 or even more per card for the really rare ones.

    Sorry for the partial diversion but there are lots of sets available of railway, car and aircraft interest.

    Brian
     
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  8. spikey faz

    spikey faz Western Thunderer

    Go for it! :thumbs:

    Mike
     
  9. spikey faz

    spikey faz Western Thunderer

    Hi Brian

    So which of the current O scale GWR engines could I convert to Hercules? :eek:

    Just idle speculation!

    Mike
     
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  10. Osgood

    Osgood Western Thunderer

    Pretty certain I have a drawing somewhere for this Sentinel based (Coles?) critter:
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  11. Steph Dale

    Steph Dale Western Thunderer

    Ha! A few minutes with everyone's favourite search engine found me a couple of links and some good photos. The loco seems to be based on an 850 pannier, with the crane a steam-powered re-imagining of a 12t hand crane. Even the bogie looks like it's a cunning re-imagining of a Churchward loco bogie (modified for outside bearings).

    But, as I'm not a GWR modeller, I don't know who does an 850 currently (was Eric Underhill, latterly ABS, hopefully to be available again from another source) or the crane.

    Steph
     
  12. oldravendale

    oldravendale Western Thunderer

    Hello Mike. I've not the faintest idea! Doubtless there's a GWR aficionado out there somewhere who can advise on a good starting point. Out of idle interest I looked on line and quickly found gwr crane tank locomotive - Google Search There's also been a model made and reported in the other place. Hercules - A Great Western Story They may be of help.

    Brian
     
  13. SimonT

    SimonT Western Thunderer

    The answer can be found in Volume 2 of Russell and the RCTS Part 5. They were based on an 850 with the main frames extended backwards. No.16 was built later than 17 & 18 and had a Belpaire boiler. The bogie was a weird one off, neither Dean nor Churchward and used 2'8" wheels. Russell has a good scan of the diagram drawing of No.16 and is proably the best you will do now; for a diagram drawing it is quite detailed. There is a good photo of Cyclops (17) in works grey and an over exposed photo of Hercules.
    As for kits there is a box of bits for an 850 from Scorpio.
    Simon
     
  14. spikey faz

    spikey faz Western Thunderer

    Ha! I was contemplating the Sentinel ash crane as a project, but I bottled it due to a lack of drawing. Now, if you were to find that drawing......;)

    Mike
     
  15. spikey faz

    spikey faz Western Thunderer

    I was rather hoping I could chop a Dapol or Minerva GWR tank loco about to create the mighty Hercules, but I suspect that's a non-starter. To be fair though it's a big old crane - far bigger than anything I've so far built. Might be a crane - too- far! :p


    Mike
     
  16. Peter

    Peter Western Thunderer

    Hi Mike,

    Have a look at pages 173 to 175 of Sentinel Locomotives and Sentinel-Cammell Railcars just published by Industrial Railway Society.

    Best regards,

    Peter
     
  17. spikey faz

    spikey faz Western Thunderer

    Hi Peter

    Thanks for heads-up. I'll check it out. :thumbs:

    In other news the rebuild of the Terrier begins. Those of a nervous disposition please look away! :p
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    Mike
     
  18. spikey faz

    spikey faz Western Thunderer

    Modified the sideframe overlays (which are conveniently held on with a couple of screws - thank you Dapol :cool:).
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    Mike
     
  19. spikey faz

    spikey faz Western Thunderer

    Next up: brake gear.
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    Mike
     
  20. spikey faz

    spikey faz Western Thunderer

    Brake gear more of less finished. I was trying to work out where the handbrake went until I realised that they'd simply removed it to make room for the crane! No handbrake then, although the actuating linkage is still in place.
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    Then on to the cab spectacle plate.
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    Mike
     
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