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Brinkly

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Hi chaps,
Well really what the title says, I'm after a DCC system that will be capable to run half a dozen locos around a layout of some 17ft by 10ft, with 4-5 loops in a fiddle yard. I would rather have a handheld unit if possible; point work will be controlled by a traditional panel. Any suggestions?

Many thanks in advance.
Regards,

Nick
 

Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
DDC Systems

Brinkly said:
Well really what the title says, I'm after a DCC system ...
Um, nearly what the title says, at the moment ;) ... I was intrigued to find out what a DDC system is...!! :p :thumbs: :lol:
 

lancer1027

Western Thunderer
DDC Systems

Hi Nick,
My mate has Digitrax and it works well for him, so being a novice and thick when it comes to electrics and power source i will go with what he's used. As.. if it works for him its good enough for me :thumbs:
I too like the fact you can wire plug in fittings around the layout/garden,so you can operate from anywhere. Nice to operate loco's while outside.

Rob :wave:
 
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Brinkly

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DDC Systems

Jordan said:
[quote=""Brinkly"":q0c804ia]
Well really what the title says, I'm after a DCC system ...
Um, nearly what the title says, at the moment ;) ... I was intrigued to find out what a DDC system is...!! :p :thumbs: :lol:[/quote:q0c804ia]

Very quick!
 

Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
DDC Systems

Brinkly said:
[quote=""Jordan"":29hxq7xo][quote=""Brinkly"":29hxq7xo]
Well really what the title says, I'm after a DCC system ...
Um, nearly what the title says, at the moment ;) ... I was intrigued to find out what a DDC system is...!! :p :thumbs: :lol:[/quote:29hxq7xo]

Very quick![/quote:29hxq7xo]

Sorry!! :oops: :oops: :oops: ;)
 
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Brinkly

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DDC Systems

Jordan said:
[quote=""Brinkly"":2mhs123a]Very quick!

Sorry!! :oops: :oops: :oops: ;)[/quote:2mhs123a]

Don't be, it's been a long blasted term! I forgot how hard it is having to write reports. Two more weeks to go! :D

Regards,

Nick
 
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Brinkly

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Cheers CME and Rob,

I was swing towards Digitrax or Lenz, but now have be pushed that little further over to Digitrax. ZTC looks nice, but seening it is now under another new owner I think I might just steer clear for a while and let the dust settle. Atleast Digitrax is very well established across the pond. :thumbs:

Many thanks,

Nick.
 

Captain Kernow

Western Thunderer
Brinkly said:
Well really what the title says, I'm after a DCC system that will be capable to run half a dozen locos around a layout of some 17ft by 10ft, with 4-5 loops in a fiddle yard. I would rather have a handheld unit if possible; point work will be controlled by a traditional panel. Any suggestions?
Of course, you don't have to go over to the Dark Side, do you Luke?... :shock:







Just think how many traditional chips you could get for your money!.... :eek: :laugh: :twisted:
 
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Brinkly

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Captain Kernow said:
[quote=""Brinkly"":2k2nw58d]Well really what the title says, I'm after a DCC system that will be capable to run half a dozen locos around a layout of some 17ft by 10ft, with 4-5 loops in a fiddle yard. I would rather have a handheld unit if possible; point work will be controlled by a traditional panel. Any suggestions?
Of course, you don't have to go over to the Dark Side, do you Luke?... :shock:







Just think how many traditional chips you could get for your money!.... :eek: :laugh: :twisted:[/quote:2k2nw58d]

Well tis just a thought dear Cap'ain, after all I'm not building a Death Star! :D
 
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Brinkly

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Captain Kernow said:
[quote=""Brinkly"":3frl82sc]after all I'm not building a Death Star! :D
No, I don't think the GWR had one in that particular class of loco.... :D ;)[/quote:3frl82sc]


:D :laugh:
 

Scale7JB

Western Thunderer
One thing that I have learned recently is that you must be very careful of long runs with DCC due to interference of the DCC signal if it isn't wired properly...!!

If you're not careful and the DCC signal isn't clean enough, it can cause spikes in the square wave form, and cause the chips to blow up... :eek:

Let me know if you're interested in more info, and I'll try and find the info that I was given..

JB.
 

28ten

Guv'nor
As I have said before, I like the concept but im not sure I would get any benefit apart from sound....
 

Captain Kernow

Western Thunderer
Scale7JB said:
and cause the chips to blow up...
If that happens, you should get on the bus (the one that's in the garden :p ) and go back to the chip shop and complain to the owner, probably better to take a smaller portion but more cod next time.... :laugh: :twisted:
 
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Brinkly

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Scale7JB said:
One thing that I have learned recently is that you must be very careful of long runs with DCC due to interference of the DCC signal if it isn't wired properly...!!

If you're not careful and the DCC signal isn't clean enough, it can cause spikes in the square wave form, and cause the chips to blow up... :eek:

Let me know if you're interested in more info, and I'll try and find the info that I was given..

JB.

Cheers JB,
PM will be sent shortly.

Regards,

Nick
 
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28ten said:
As I have said before, I like the concept but im not sure I would get any benefit apart from sound....

Well the really slow speed running does look good I have to say, but the double heading and lack of isolated sections is also appealing! St. Merryn has sort of swung me over, the large amount of movements that could be achieved without a huge amount of wiring for me is tempting.
Whether Staverton will go over to the Darkside or not still remains in the balance, but Horrabridge I think will.

Regards,

Nick
 

Steve Cook

Flying Squad
Brinkly said:
..snip... I'm after a DCC system that will be capable to run half a dozen locos around a layout of some 17ft by 10ft, with 4-5 loops in a fiddle yard. I would rather have a handheld unit if possible; point work will be controlled by a traditional panel. Any suggestions?
Hi Nick

Not that this will help much, but I think nearly every DCC system on the market will meet your requirements :D

It would be slightly easier to answer your original question if you could spare a few mins and jot down some answers to the questions below

Do you want the capacity for two people to be able to work at the same time, or will it just be you?
Do you have a preference for loco speed control to be buttons, knob or slider?
Does the unit need to be small enough to be held and operated in one hand, or do you not mind if one hand holds the unit whilst the other enters loco numbers or speed for example?
Is this to be the start of a bigger system, or something small to start with that will be replaced later?
What systems do other people in your area use or run?
Have you had a play with any systems yet?
How much do you want to spend?
Are you going to use sound decoders etc?

We can then try and come up with some suggestions to help you decide...

I've noted down my DCC experience so far in case it proves of any use

I use an NCE PowerCab. I tried both Digitrax and Lenz and didn't like either the user interface or controllers that much. That is nothing against the functionality of either, it was just personal preference when actually holding and using the things. I also had a preference for easy consisting for my US layout and wanted something cheap and easy to use that could either be upgraded, sold or used as just a programming track controller. The NCE PowerCab met all of those requirements and has worked fantastically over the last four years. I would like to add one of the new intermediate Cab 06 throttles soon, its smaller than the standard throttle unit and has a rotary knob - again personal preference. I also like the idea that the new throttle will hold 6 loco addresses in a stack as opposed to the two of the PowerCab (simply less button pushing when selecting a new loco). I've not yet had to upgrade the power supply, the system seems to be quite happy running a double headed consist (one sound loco, one non sound) and I fully expect it to work OK in the garden....when I get round to it... :oops: (although it will be one engine, running slowly up and down the line so not much of a power requirement ;) ).

The main benefits of DCC to me are
Slow running speed, although I fully accept that for normal use, it isn't really a huge leap from a good dc system with clean track and wheels.
I like the fact that the lights stay on when the loco has stopped
Sound equipped locos are fun (especially for showing off to friends), but I run mine quietly now as the novelty has worn off. I'd miss it if it wasn't there though...
Double heading and making / breaking consists on the NCE system are really easy
I like the possibilities that having an autoshuttle system can give (just eight diodes and a quick program of a Lenz Gold or Silver decoder required).

Despite buying a starter system, I've not yet had to upgrade, although wants are exceeding needs from a controller point of view now. If I can avoid needing to upgrade the power supply unit for running my Pannier in the garden I shall.

The best piece of advice I can give you is try before you buy. Given that all systems run trains, it will be ease of use and how it feels which are the determining factors for which one suits you best.

Steve
 
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