Finescale - of a sort?!

Boyblunder

Western Thunderer
Pete, I had the same tipping problem with my grandson’s ride on. My solution was a rigid articulated coupling instead of a chain so the weight of the loco stabilises the riding truck. Works well, but clearly not to scale.
Robin
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Holy articulated couplers Robin, I think you've got it!

If I reduce the vertical movement of the present (prototypical) lifting bar and even substitute the intended eye on the tender with a socket arrangement for the pin, that should do the trick perfectly?

Thanks for the offer John! I did suggest that this part has become a catalogue of errors didn't I?!

Thanks too Dave for making me chuckle - heaven only knows, I need it right now - but that part of the story will be explained later...!

I promise that there will be some more amusement to come before that...!?

Pete.
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Well...? Not quite...? A bit more work to do first!

Although this particular ply is quite weighty, it does work up very nicely. Using the usual trick of clamping to one of those good square pieces of oak, it was easy to rasp and file smooth, straight edges without splintering!

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For a nice clean and snug fit...

I do wonder if I have perhaps been over engineering it a bit?

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Once the glued main box components were set I then reinforced every joint with timber.

I had hoped to find some more round headed Philips wood screws, but locally I could only find slotted ones of the right length. Although they do their job perfectly well enough, they will be a bit more of a pain when it comes to filling them to represent rivets!

Getting closer to a more serious test...?

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Where rivets were not required I have installed countersunk ones that will also be filled, this time to completely hide them.

It would have been nice to replicate or otherwise represent the distinct curved lid on top of the toolbox, but I just could not think of any way to do so whilst providing a secure perch, so resigned myself to compromise.

Later, much later... (there it is again!) I had an idea.

Blast! Now those wretched countersinks along the top of the box are right where I don't want them...!

Meanwhile, I apologise for yet another repeat. This time it is a pic already posted earlier in this thread...

I just couldn't resist the little touch of irony?:

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How could my sister make such a cheeky suggestion?

Yet guess who insisted on being the very first passenger for a trial ride...???

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Ha, ha!

Really do need footboards for those of us who are rather less athletic though?!

Ahem! For small persons comfort I should say!

Anyway, despite the misjudgements and mistakes it otherwise seemed to be going quite well?

While trying to clamp the increasingly weighty wagon on the workbench one afternoon I suddenly discovered the hinderance of having only two hands! I did manage to arrest it's fall before it hit the hard brick floor, but I'm afraid my previously weakened spine paid the price!

There will have to be short interlude before normal services are resumed!

I might not be able to perambulate at the moment, but at least I can still raise an arm and hold up a glass...?!

Happy New Year to you all, good friends!!

Pete.
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Thanks for the tip Col! I had a look at some of those mirror screws, but the only ones I could find locally were a tad oversize. There are quite a lot of them needed for this little wagon as well!

Due to my back injury, progress has not only been slower than usual (for me!) but rather uncomfortable at times. Fortunately however there have been some jobs to do that have required much less physical effort!

Before the incident, and when still confident that I could lift the beastie without risk, I had taken a couple of pictures of the engine and tender together...

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Being completely laid up for a few days gave me plenty of time to consider some of the issues with the tender!

As previously mentioned, I already had an idea for the top of the toolbox, and although in retrospect there were probably any number of better ways to have approached the problem, I decided that rather than attempt to dismantle anything again (even if I could actually manage to do it?) that to go for a purely decorative effect was preferable?

I did not much like the prospect of simply applying a moulding; straight on the ends and curved at the sides, with the corners of the box continuing to run parallel up to the flat seat top.

While I was firmly propped in a chair, and with the wagon on my lap, I was able to do a bit of risky whittling with a craft knife.

Dangerous...?

Not kidding, considering the strength of the prescription painkillers that I had taken beforehand?!!

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How much harder could it be to delaminate this stuff, bearing in mind my penchant for the technique in all the smaller scales?

This 9 mil, 5 ply (plus two external veneers) material was absolutely chock full of knot holes filled with all sorts of rubbish, patches and compressed overlaps as well as some gaps containing little more than a hard glue!

Having committed myself, and under the circumstances feeling reasonably successful, I could then happily report that nothing was lost apart from few unplanned chunks of wood!

Indeed, I gained a new experience: I found several splinters that had inevitably embedded themselves in me, were more of a curiosity rather than the familiar cause of inappropriately rude language!

Having completed the delamination job, I had to replace the original countersunk woodscrews with shorter ones all round, as well as realigning and drilling two extra holes for screws on each side to replace those that fouled the new lip.

An advantage of all the work cutting the top portion back by a few millimetres provided a ledge to firmly set a couple of strips of new thin ply to follow the curve...

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The more detailed view above can give you an idea of what a dreadful mess the internal plies were in, particularly on the front face of the toolbox!

Rather a lot of filler might be required here soon? The back piece was the only part that might just about be OK after smoothing with sandpaper?

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While proportionately odd, I do think that this compromise is now looking a bit closer to the distinctive and quaint character of the prototype?

I also decided that the state of the ply at the top was so bad that applying a veneer was preferred over filler.

A bit of fun was had trimming the four separate triangular sections to precisely match the upper curved mouldings! After those parts were sufficiently set they were carefully cut and sanded flush with the top and corners. The straight front and rear strips were, by comparison, a walk in the park, again cut and glued slightly oversize before trimming back.

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While the folks were out shopping today I was at last able to take full advantage of a nice warm fire in the grate to aid both drying and drawing rattle-can paint fumes away up the chimney - at least to breathable levels anyway?!

By the time they came home I had got the body and frames primed and given it a first coat of matt black undercoat!

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I'm going to have a bit of a task rubbing down and recoating to obscure the rather coarse woodgrain though?

Should have started that before driving all those screws home though...?

Oh well!!

Pete.
 
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Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Thank you Giles!

You seem to be making small things even smaller, while I continue to make something quite small very much bigger - or perhaps just too big a fuss of one anyway...?!!!

I took a chance (with a still very tender back) to take the tender, and engine, for an outing to Love Lane today!

Robin has very kindly offered assistance by trialling a type of speed controller. Although the new couplings (almost prototypical as it turns out!) have solved the truck tipping problem, and while the overall top speed of the motor on full chat is not particularly great, it's acceleration is a bit alarming!

Especially for small persons...?!

Here are some pictures taken in the lovely light:

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The "Eye" knot in the plywood toolbox lid does look a bit odd, but it will be covered with a fitted cushion in due course!

A useful Tea Wagon build for next time...?!

Pete.
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
No problem JB, it will be coming round again soon - and when I bring the rest of the track; around again and again and again!

Tom, I am so glad we went to York when we did! Their refurb of the foyer has not only made it rather gloomy for photography, but all those close up reference shots of the engine backhead and fittings that I was able to take would be a nightmare now that they have attached Perspex all round the footplate!

You would get a grand view of the layout wiring from this train Dave! It has been suggested that a carriage with a comfy seat would be one way to avoid having to repeatedly duck under the boards though!

That perfectly flat polished floor at Love Lane has revealed an interesting phenomenon Brian; I noticed that the locomotive adhesion was significantly improved when compared to running, albeit with the same rails, on our carpeted floor at home!

Should I start thinking more seriously about some proper permanent way...…??

Oh dear!

Pete.
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Day job season is back again, and as usual I am finding myself; with unerring skill, being in all the wrong places and doing all the wrong things at the wrong times!

That also includes sitting here doing this post, but a quick catch up can't do any more harm, can it...?

How many times do we all have days, or even longer periods that could be described as: "pants"?

The boys and girls at home decided that it was about time we "switched " telecom service provider. Trouble was that the two companies didn't seem to be able to agree on dates, so this week we found ourselves switched indeed - to completely off!!

Now I should point out - if none had guessed already that I am a bit of an odd soul and, among other things, had steadfastly refused to carry or use a mobile phone. Fairly recently I had a breakdown and was forced to walk several miles for assistance and got home rather late. My wife then insisted that she would buy me one, and if I continued to be so stubborn it would be surgically implanted somewhere about my person! I thought it wise to get a "pay as you go", and carry it for emergency outward calls only for the purpose of domestic harmony! At least that infernal machine was unaffected by the shut down, if I had remembered to switch it on of course?!

My own little car is still off the road for want of spares too, but at least an old but fairly reliable "pool" car is still available for the odd necessary trip. This last Wednesday, during the previously mentioned silent time, I had a twenty or so miles run out in the morning and then back again on a cold and drizzly night.

Now this car has a bit of a blow from the exhaust that has been slowly getting worse. One of my sons checked it and showed me the break where the noise was coming from in a flexible bit at the front. He assured me that the whole back end was fine as it had been renewed not that long ago.

Know what happened next on the A1307?

Clang!

The whopping great silencer box and tail aft had corroded almost through at the main pipe joint. There are supposed to be two rubber "dog bone" hangers on round bar irons to hold the thing up - but clearly one had been lost. Fine while the pipe joint held, but the failure caused the thing to twist downward on to the road!

I always normally carry a tool kit, but guess what again? I would just have to phone home for assistance!

The folks were all out!

Oh knickers!

There I lay, soggy on the cold, hard ground, ruefully looking at the saggy metal by torchlight, and wondering what on earth I could use. Then I had a Railway Children, "Bobby" idea!

Jumped in the car and after a bit of wriggling, emerged triumphant but "commando".

Hooking one leg hole over the end of the first iron, I twisted the garment as tightly as possible into a sort of short rope, hoisted the box carefully back up and wound the fabric round the both irons. The other much reduced leg hole just about pinged over the tails to firmly grip!

I was very conscious that I was "flying by the seat of..." on the journey home. Not so much concerned by my own lack of underwear, I did keep a nostril keenly tuned to what I imagined scorched undies, with impending consequences might smell like, not that I would know about such things of course?! I could only hope that the elastic was strong enough to hold it all in place down below there!!!

Pants indeed!

Changing the subject, In between times have been quietly getting on with the underside of the driving truck!

Although not just to keep the slightly extended couplers prototypical, but as I expect that the truck might well be subject to some potentially rough treatment, fitting the flat bar with stays would be appropriate in order to withstand any extra dragging and buffing forces.

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The coupling pin hole should have been centred between the four machine screws, but the throw of the coupling bar on our rather sharp curves dictated.

An unforced error was not paying attention with the countersink bit. A couple of turns too many on three out of four was careless! Covering with a thick layer of paint is no excuse either as this area will almost certainly lose much of it in the general wear and tear of use?!

Should have thought of that?

Another essential aspect where pre planning would have been helpful is the awkward problem of footboards.

The spidery ironwork and fairly high floor has had me flummoxed for quite a while.

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In the end there seemed to be little alternative to using some long and short eyebolts with 10mm steel tube for 8mm round bar brackets.

That should allow the boards to slide out and be removed for easier storage and transport.

I am concerned that the front pair of eyes are potentially weak and could rather easily become bent back into the wheels, but they should hold firm when running with the boards installed?

So where is the next problem?

I found that the inside of the tube is not exactly 8mm, but a little wee bit under.

The outside of the bar is not as quoted either - as it is in fact a little bit over...!!!

Perhaps I will accept JB's very kind offer instead of breaking out the files this time?

Now the phone is back on I won't have to use that infernal mobile instrument to call....? Not that it is much use at the moment anyway - I have forgotten to top it up with credit!!!

Pete.
 
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Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
As there has been some very interesting "arty" stuff here on WT recently, I could not resist adding these fabulous and pertinent pics to this thread:

I will confess that the two images that I posted a few weeks ago of my sister's cartoon and of her riding on the truck were published without her prior permission. When she visited us shortly thereafter I thought an apology was entirely appropriate. I opened the page so that she could see the whole post and read my commentary.

She laughed, genuinely it seemed, and assured me that I had not offended her in the least. In truth, she went away and secretly plotted revenge...?

Yesterday I opened a plain brown cardboard envelope to find a birthday card with this classic, albeit festive print of a W. Heath Robinson cartoon cut out and pasted on the front:

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On the inside was another illustration, though this time an original drawn with a fine drafting pen and finished with coloured pencils by her own fair hand...

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Surprisingly perhaps, it took me a quite a few moments before I spotted the subtle and brilliant gag?

Ha, ha, he he!

Serves me jolly well right ehee?

Pete.
 

Bagpuss

Western Thunderer
Just found your posts, love the engine its looking so good. I have made 16mm ones out of wood and things in the past. But it just gooes to show what can be done even in a big size. You have been doing a great job.
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Thank you Bagpuss, I'm glad you like it.

It would be nice to see some more 16mm, 7/8ths and any other narrow gauge scales here on WT now and again, but then I am a just little biased in that direction?!

I have been working on the design of a carriage kit in the former scale, but it has quietly slipped to the back of the queue of late! A delightful prototype that surprisingly does not yet appear to have been tackled by any of the established manufacturers. If it eventually comes to production I will be more than happy to tell the stories behind it...!

Pete.
 
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