Finney7 LSWR L12

Discussion in 'Workbenches, including workshop techniques.' started by Dikitriki, 22 August 2017.

  1. SimonT

    SimonT Western Thunderer

    Nah, the interesting question about the cat is about the observers. There are those who worry about the life/death bit. There are those who wonder if it was black or white cat. Then there are those who wonder about the number of stripes and whether they were grey or bengal. And then there are those who hope that the cat was called Roger.
    Funny old thing is model railways.
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  2. Steph Dale

    Steph Dale Western Thunderer


    I consider your hypothesis to be erroneous. Who in their right mind would think Roger is a suitable name for a cat? That's just plain daft...

  3. SimonT

    SimonT Western Thunderer

    Have you ever tried to look a cat called “Tiddles” in the eye?
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  4. adrian

    adrian Flying Squad

    but highly entertaining in a macabre sort of way
    Review: Cat Out Of Hell, Lynne Truss
  5. phileakins

    phileakins Western Thunderer

    I would never stoop so low ...
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  6. warren haywood

    warren haywood Western Thunderer

    My cat was called Dave:cool:
  7. mickoo

    mickoo Western Thunderer

    Was his real name 'Rodney' ?
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  8. Arun

    Arun Western Thunderer

    Getting back to the L12 for a moment, it does seem that when comparing the version shown in the pics [#99] to say, the post-war final superheated version with stovepipe chimney, longer smokebox etc, there will be a lot of bits left over. Will these versions be sold as separate kits or will it be possible to make any version from one kit?
  9. Steph Dale

    Steph Dale Western Thunderer

    We're in discussion on that aspect at the moment. Martin's philosophy was to put all the parts in the kit as it made the kit, overall, more affordable. This is the approach I'm favouring - otherwise we just won't do the LSWR versions at all.

    In truth what you're seeing here is a 'sketch'; the full kit will contain 'more' - we're just not 100% sure what of, yet.

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  10. Kyoki

    Kyoki New Member

    This, and the Radial, are sorely tempting me back to 7mm! what a fantastic build, the inside valve gear is amazing, as is the workmanship.

    Certainly has the WOW factor!
  11. Dikitriki

    Dikitriki Flying Squad

    Thank you. It's a great time to be in 7mm scale. Take the plunge!

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  12. Dikitriki

    Dikitriki Flying Squad


    I've come to a bit of a halt on the T3 while I wait for the R/C stuff to be made/arrive, so I picked up a watercart tender to pair with the L12. I've got a fighting chance of knocking it into shape before the Reading show. Just a big box with 2 simple bogies.....not. There's a lot more detail than I thought on the bogies/underframe, so I started with the box:)

    The tricky bit on the box is the bends on the coping which comes in 2 halves and is joined at the back - the join is covered with a lamp bracket plate so will be strong when finished. The bottom of the coping is bent round a 5mm rod, but this has to be done at the flared angle, as the radius on the top of the coping is somewhat larger. It's half etch so easy to manipulate; I just kept eying the top of the coping to make sure it was flat round the curve, and bent it bit by bit. The front is a little more awkward as the flare disappears where it meets the front coal plate. Patience is the key.



    I have cut out a panel at the back of the tender which will lift off to reveal the charging socket and R/C on/off switch. There's no handy big toolbox as on the T3. I cut the panel just inboard of a line of rivets, so the join is disguised. In any event, I can run the coal load just over the lip so it will be impossible to see. I just have to devise a spring mechanism to keep it in place.


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  13. Martin Finney

    Martin Finney Member


    I've now noticed another problem. The instructions for the tank begin

    "For a tender with wide front stanchion spacing drill new .8mm holes in the front platform, using the drilling jig (part T17), as shown in Fig. 9. Solder part T16 over these new holes. If appropriate, (see Section 1.) file off the front platform side extensions as shown in Fig.8."

    L12 tenders were wide at the front to match the engine. So stanchions need new holes drilling and the platform extensions should not have been removed.

    It also looks like you have the tender footplate too low.

    Your build is fine for a narrow T9 but not a L12.


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  14. Martin Finney

    Martin Finney Member


    I managed to loose the first posting so here it is again!

    As usual you have made a lovely clean build. Unfortunately, as my instructions say, all the L12 tenders were fitted with exhaust steam heaters in the tank well and the tank sides were clad with false plates, to prevent heat loss and blistering of the paintwork. To represent this on the model first the cladding attaching bolts need embossing and parts T8, which represent the lower part of the coping plate are omitted, as on the prototype they are covered by the cladding.

    Sorry to be so picky but I know how much you want to get things right!


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  15. Martin Finney

    Martin Finney Member


    Here is a picture which shows the points I have made. The wonderful Drummond livery is also very clear.


    L12 - No.434.jpg
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  16. Dikitriki

    Dikitriki Flying Squad

    Thank you Martin,

    I appreciate the corrections - I would much rather be told now, than when it's painted, and too late to do anything about it.

    I can see that I have misinterpreted a couple of pictures in Bradley pp 58 and 60 - L12 tenders which had a low front footplate and did not have the full height plates inside the handrail (as your photo). Nor could I see the rivets on the side tanks, which is probably a function of the reproduction in the particular images. I made an incorrect assumption (obvious now you point it out) that they were narrow fronted tenders.

    Your photograph is excellent, thank you for posting.

    However, I have a cunning plan.... I have another watercart tender. The body I have built will cascade down to a narrow cab T9, and that kit's body will be started for the L12! At least the second body should be quicker, and they were both going to be R/C.


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  17. Martin Finney

    Martin Finney Member


    The height of the footplate is the same in the pictures of 430 and 434 - please check that the footplate heights are the same on both the loco and tender. You may well have it correct!

    I cannot see "the full height plates inside the handrail" in either picture. I can see a sandbox. As the instructions state:

    "Front side plates:
    From 1913 onwards plates were added underneath the front handrail stanchion supports. On the tenders with narrow spaced stanchions the lower edge of these plates was on top of the sandboxes whereas on the tenders with wide spaced stanchions the plates went outside the sandboxes down to the front platform."

    Your "cunning plan" is indeed fortunate.

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  18. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    Which RC system will you be using - Tam Valley or A N Other?

    Will it leak like the 12'' to 1' version?
  19. Steph Dale

    Steph Dale Western Thunderer

    Martin (and Richard)

    That's a cracking photo, but...

    I don't think that's got a wide footplate at the front of the tender. Look at the shadow around the steps, if the footplate were wider, it would have an uneven shadow line as it approached the front of the tender.

    I also reckon that Richard has probably got the height of the footplate correct; on the L12s (and maybe S11s) there are raised sections of footplate on the loco, but I think most of it is at the same height as the T9.

    The stanchions look to be wide, and the cladding plates should be there for sure.

    Only if he puts water in it. :p

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  20. Dikitriki

    Dikitriki Flying Squad

    Hi Dave,

    I'm using RCT-TX10 transmitters and RCT-Rx65c receivers from rctrains, I believe Deltang.