Mr Grumpy

djparkins

Western Thunderer
Assuming my eyesight isn't deceiving me it's one of the 6-compartment Brake Second's on a short underframe (Diag 371) ... If that's right enough, you are kind of restricted to one of only 12 allocated to the Western Region (the rest were on long underframes) from Lot 30045 i.e. W43100 - W43111 - Lettering was "Golden Yellow" - well really it was straw coloured - Do you not fancy it in BR Maroon so late in the day c/w lining! Nice shot of a long underframe version here;
c.1959 - Honeybourne Junction, Worcestershire.

Actually Bob it was me that steered Richard in the direction of BR Coach Red livery [also known as the Blood from the Blood & Custard livery] as I think they looked so much better in this than in lined BR Coach Maroon, but that is just a personal opinion. IMHO the NG stock looks somehow 'over-cooked' in lined livery. I'm ducking out of this one no though, as we'd better let the builder decide for himself!

DJP/MMP
 

Bob Reid

Western Thunderer
The colour names BR used sometimes just end confusing thing (witness the gauge war type arguments that occasionally break out elsewhere over paint colour descriptions)

Okay in the beginning circa 1949 - they had "Carmine & Cream" but that was in reality a short lived experimental livery for the gangwayed stock pre "Blood & Custard" and the red used was apparently more akin to the red used by the LNWR, much darker... The first "production colour" for the Mk1's was BR Crimson & Cream - with that very bright red colour for gangwayed stock, and plain BR Crimson - still bright red, for the non-gangwayed stock. Unlined of course. On the non-gangwayed stock, that changed to the darker BR Maroon from 1956 but still unlined. From about 1959 I believe, they remained maroon, but inherited the lining as used on the gangwayed stock.

In short (as if) the choice is...

BR Crimson (unlined) from new
BR Maroon (unlined) circa 56'
BR Maroon (lined) circa 59'
BR Blue circa 65/66 on.

(how long will it take someone to spot BR Blue)?
 

Mr Grumpy

Western Thunderer
Assuming my eyesight isn't deceiving me it's one of the 6-compartment Brake Second's on a short underframe (Diag 371) ... If that's right enough, you are kind of restricted to one of only 12 allocated to the Western Region (the rest were on long underframes) from Lot 30045 i.e. W43100 - W43111 - Lettering was "Golden Yellow" - well really it was straw coloured - Do you not fancy it in BR Maroon so late in the day c/w lining! Nice shot of a long underframe version here;
c.1959 - Honeybourne Junction, Worcestershire.
Thanks Bob, I bought you may come up with the answer :thumbs:
Part of the reason I don't fancy the lined maroon is my ability to line the coach. (Even with Fox transfer lining) I would definitely leave off the grab handles as I'm certain lining behind those would be a nightmare :confused:
I have a 'B set' in crimson ( or blood) and I think with a touch of wear and tear added it will look very effective.
Still, I won't be rushing it in to the paint shop, so plenty of time to ponder!
Thanks again for your help, very much appreciated :)
 

Bob Reid

Western Thunderer
I shouldn't have lobbed in a personal opinion there - I've just a passion for BR Maroon! (what is it they say about favouring the things you remember as a child)? A fine model whatever the colour!

Bob (Aged lined maroon)
 

Mr Grumpy

Western Thunderer
It's funny how we remember things differently! I distinctly remember refusing to get in to a maroon coach at Reading (General) in the 60's as it was too old and I wanted to go in the modern blue and grey coach :)
I'm almost certain the coaches at the Reading South station were still green. The emus were.
 

djparkins

Western Thunderer
It's funny how we remember things differently! I distinctly remember refusing to get in to a maroon coach at Reading (General) in the 60's as it was too old and I wanted to go in the modern blue and grey coach :)
I'm almost certain the coaches at the Reading South station were still green. The emus were.

The SR just had the longer non-gangwayed stock IIRC, or of course the DEMUs in green.

DJP/MMP
Aged BR Coach Red/Crimson [unfortunately!]
 

farnetti

Western Thunderer
Coincidentally I was looking at a video of trains running through Hemel Hempstead in the 60's.


If you pause and go to each frame from 7.04 minutes as the train passes there seems to be a mix of LMS and BR coaching stock (some non-passenger) in a random order. May be it is empty stock .

Some is lined and some not. The colours vary a lot probably due to non-passenger stock not being cleaned as often.

Some BG's were lined, mine won't for the same reasons Mr G and Bob have already expressed.

Ken
 

Mr Grumpy

Western Thunderer
Coincidentally I was looking at a video of trains running through Hemel Hempstead in the 60's.


If you pause and go to each frame from 7.04 minutes as the train passes there seems to be a mix of LMS and BR coaching stock (some non-passenger) in a random order. May be it is empty stock .

Some is lined and some not. The colours vary a lot probably due to non-passenger stock not being cleaned as often.

Some BG's were lined, mine won't for the same reasons Mr G and Bob have already expressed.

Ken
Thanks for posting Ken, it's easy to forget just how many varied loco hauled trains there were! Very interesting :thumbs:
....and of course the white stuff we used to call snow before global warming :D
 
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djparkins

Western Thunderer
Coincidentally I was looking at a video of trains running through Hemel Hempstead in the 60's.


If you pause and go to each frame from 7.04 minutes as the train passes there seems to be a mix of LMS and BR coaching stock (some non-passenger) in a random order. May be it is empty stock .

Some is lined and some not. The colours vary a lot probably due to non-passenger stock not being cleaned as often.

Some BG's were lined, mine won't for the same reasons Mr G and Bob have already expressed.

Ken

I think you'll find that the unlined BGs are in BR Coach Crimson [blood], not in BR Maroon - I'm sure Bob will correct me if I'm wrong though!
 

Bob Reid

Western Thunderer
Hard to tell in that film what they are unfortunately! I don't recall any Mk1 BG's in plain unlined BR Maroon - pre BR design BG's yes, but Mk1's - I don't recall seeing any described or in photo's - your mileage may vary!
 

Mr Grumpy

Western Thunderer
Hard to tell in that film what they are unfortunately! I don't recall any Mk1 BG's in plain unlined BR Maroon - pre BR design BG's yes, but Mk1's - I don't recall seeing any described or in photo's - your mileage may vary!
Bob, this may sound a silly question, but would the non-gangwayed stock have the BR motif (as in your avatar) at any stage?
 

Mr Grumpy

Western Thunderer
I thought I'd take a break from the coach and attempt to build the lamp that Dave provides with the kit. The instructions recommended using 2.5mm plastic rod for the chimney. I only had brass tube and so the whole thing was soldered together, using one of our most useful friends, a spare washer for the cap. Ok, I'm sure there have been better examples made up, but to be honest I'm chuffed to bits with it :)
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Mr Grumpy

Western Thunderer
Following tales of a friend's lamp going missing, mine is safely sealed in a bag and put away.

Turning to the door stops, I wanted to ensure all the ends of the stops stood exactly 1.2mm from the coach body. I drilled a few 1.2mm holes in to an off cut of wood and inserted the 1mm wire, complete with the nickel silver fitting and using a minuscule amount of solder, joined them together. I then held the outer end of the stop and cut the rod 0.5mm behind the fitting and inserted the assembly in to the etched hole in the coach side. I held the stop with a stirring stick with a 1mm hole drilled through and soldered from in side the coach body. The nickel silver fitting is oval shaped so needs to be kept horizontal. It took a while, but saves loads of cleaning up and cutting protruding rod in the coach interior.
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