Hartley Hill The Other Side Of The Fence

[john lewsey]

some of the brake parts

 

[Dog Star]

Des Res - good location - viewing highly recommended.



John and I have discussed the style of the terrace houses to be built for Hartley Hill for many months and nothing has gelled until now - in his travels around the capital John spotted this terrace row in the Camden area and the "face" fits rather well.... possibly omitting the basement.

So now we have the style, next thing is the number and size of the dwellings. The current favourite is a row of four preperties and that might become six dependent upon the visual fit of the building to the space available. As to size - any WTer got dimensions of similar properties? (just so as to save one of us from searching Zoopla and then asking for details).

In passing, if these properties are circa 1860-1870 then what would have been the type of brick?

thanks, Graham

 

[daifly]

Is that photograhic distortion with the left hand doors, windows and walls or does this place have a serious problem with its foundations?
I realise that omitting the basement is perhaps convenient from a modelling perspective but it is surely a significant characteristic of this type and period of housing.

 

[john lewsey]

Hi Daifly yes your right but driving around I have seen similar houses without basements but parking and taking photos can be a real problem but I've passed these quite often and I could park so I took a couple it's just to get some ideas really but this is the style that I'm after
Regards
John

 

[JimG]

Is that photograhic distortion with the left hand doors, windows and walls or does this place have a serious problem with its foundations?

I think it has got problems. Note that the windows and the doors are not square in their frames although the window and door frames are not as out of square as the brickwork. The problem could have happened when the building was being built with the foundations settling during the build and the builder trying to rescue the situation by squaring the door and window openings, but not quite getting away with it. In my previous house there was a similar problem at the front corner which required a survey before getting a mortgage. The surveyor pointed out that the subsidence problem was only apparent on the ground floor and the building had been squared up by the time the roof line had been reached. He said that subsidence during building was quite a common problem in Victorian and earlier periods.

Jim.

 

[Dog Star]

Is that photograhic distortion with the left hand doors, windows and walls or does this place have a serious problem with its foundations?

John had another photo which included all of the house on the left and the "one after that"...


... which had been rebuilt in London Phorpes (looks like) so there may be an element of domino from left to right or maybe the knock-on effect of damage during the Blitz.

 

[john lewsey]

I work quite a lot in this type of property and when your inside there isn't a square door frame to be found but they have been there for a long time and generally the footings aren't very deep but I think that it would make a very nice model
John

 

[ZiderHead]

As to size - any WTer got dimensions of similar properties? (just so as to save one of us from searching Zoopla and then asking for details).

Most properties on Zoopla have floor plans with dimensions, but these late georgian/early victorian terraces are generally ~18' wide* and 24-30' deep, plus a ground floor kitchen/loo ~7'x18'.


* ie. min 7' radius for a doubletrack loop with transitions in the garden

 

[john lewsey]

I've got back to the bogies the brake block has a small nodule on it the the brake hanger thingy thing
Fits onto theses seem to brake quite easily so I've soldered a pin to the hanger thingy and drilled the block .A much better solution and far more sturdy
John

 

[john lewsey]

 

[Osgood]

looks like the MARS LANDER left a brake block behind on take-off……….

 

[john lewsey]

 

[Osgood]

Just going back to the houses thing - I saw somewhere a photo of early housing being laid out in London and showing construction where the cellar was at least 1/2 out of the ground. Once the houses were up they laid sewers etc and then built the ground up to what is now street level.

I have no idea how widespread this was, but it might explain some of the subsidence frequently noted?

 

[john lewsey]

the first bogie almost done
John

 

[john lewsey]

just need to adjust the brake shoes a bit

 

[Rob Pulham]

Looking good John, one of the other reasons that my Clayton stalled was the complexity of the Slaters bogies (admittedly different style) seeing your progress may encourage me to pick mine up again.

 

[john lewsey]

Looking good John, one of the other reasons that my Clayton stalled was the complexity of the Slaters bogies (admittedly different style) seeing your progress may encourage me to pick mine up again.

Hi Rob any chance of some photos of the clayton

 

[Rob Pulham]

Hi John,

The only photos that I have (so far) are on here - and can be found via this link towards the bottom of the post.

 

[john lewsey]

Hi Rob have you shuffled the sides around on that coach there are a lot of joins

 

[Rob Pulham]

Hi Rob have you shuffled the sides around on that coach there are a lot of joins

Hi John,

Not that I know of, I followed the instructions and photos in the Essery Midland coach book ( I can't remember the page offhand). I did leave out one of the compartment partitions to create the brake compartment and this was by reference to Essery rather than the instructions. As I said earlier looking at what you have done with yours my first reaction is that my joints are very crude and really need revisiting.

I bought it initially to potentially pave the way for doing some of the Kirk LNER kits but to be honest I don't think that my skills with plastic are up to it at the moment. Thankfully I have plenty of brass coaches to be going on with and a couple of JLRT which to my mind are somewhere between the two mediums.