Here's a diversion. I'm trying to work out what plates the tender would have carried. The Wild Swan book says that 8142 was built with a 4,000 gallon Mk2 welded tender, number 9869. It still had a Mk2 welded tender when photographed in 1965. Goodness only knows if it's the same tender, there were lots of them and they got changed around often enough. But the chances of finding a clear photo of the rear of 48142's tender in its later life are about nil, so I'm just going to assume that it was still dragging around faithful 9869. So far so good, but now it gets more difficult. Here are some questions I can't answer... The loco had a build date of Feb 1942, but what build date did tender 9869 have? Could have been 1942, but not impossible for the tender to have been built at the end of 1941. I can't find any information relating LMS tender numbers to build dates. There seem to have been two variants of the LMS tender number plate that was fixed the the rear of the tender. Both the same size and shape and both carry the same information: LMS, number, year of manufacture. But one type has LMS in non-serif characters, the other in rather antique looking serif characters. They're all mixed up in terms of dates. There are early LMS tenders with non-serif and late LMS tenders with the serif characters. Was it determined by custom and practice at the works where they were built? So far I've not been able to work that out. Likewise there are two versions of the water capacity plate. An elliptical one (rather similar in size and shape to the typical LMS works plate on locos), and a rectangular one. Again I can't work out the reason behind tenders having one type or the other. All of the tenders have two plates on the back, number plate at the top and water capacity plate at the bottom. But some tenders also had a third plate that carried LMS, place of manufacture, year of manufacture. Elliptical in shape and similar to loco works plates. Again it seems random and I can't establish any pattern to which tenders had the maker's plate and which did not. Works specific again? If anybody in WT land can answer the questions or point me in a useful direction then I'd be grateful. The reason this has my attention is that I've decided to have a go at producing some artwork for photo etching. Something I've been meaning to do for years. Seemed like a set of plates for loco and tender would be an easy way to start. I'm planning to do for the loco: smokebox door plate works plate shed plate ...and for the tender... number plate water capacity plate water shut off valve plates x2 water scoop in/out plate Initial artwork after a day's research and a few assumptions looks like this... Needless to say I'll get a lot of these on a single sheet of 0.25mm brass. I'm thinking I'll fill the sheet with a load of other 8F sets using info from the Wild Swan book. If you have any requests then do let me know - although I'm not promising any timeline and there's no guarantee that my first go at etching will produce useable results!