Info required please: BR1G tenders

Mr Grumpy

Western Thunderer
I am trying to source info on the BR1G tender.
My Google searches have turned up very little and mostly photos of RTR models.
If any of you have info you are happy to share, or can direct me to where to get any good reference or detail photos I would be very grateful.

Thanks,

Richard
 

markjj

Western Thunderer
Hello Richard,

Black 5 73096 on the watercress line is meant to have a BR1G fitted if that's any help... I will have a look through my BR standard books tonight and see if I can find anymore info....

Regards and good luck

Mark J
 

Heritagebob

Member
There's a couple of books I've found to be a good reference. Locomotives in detail Book 7 (Riddles Class 9F) & The Power of the 9Fs by Gavin Morrison.
 

Mr Grumpy

Western Thunderer
I did check out my 'Ivatt &Riddles' book, although there are a few BR1G tenders shown, there aren't any 'detail' shots. (How time flies, I bought this book in 1979!) I dont have the spare funds to purchase any more books at present, so will probably pop back to Ropley for a nose around once the weather improves. Thank you both for your suggestions, much appreciated.
Mark, 73096 will be the Std 5 on the MHR and a quick look on Flickr has shown some promising views of the tender, but again no real detail shots.
 

Mr Grumpy

Western Thunderer
There's a couple of books I've found to be a good reference. Locomotives in detail Book 7 (Riddles Class 9F) & The Power of the 9Fs by Gavin Morrison.

Hi Bob,

Temptation got the better of me and I have ordered 'Locomotives in detail book 7 (Riddles 9F), which is on its way from the US of A!
I couldn't track down an unused 'power of the 9Fs' just yet.
Thanks again for your suggestions.

Richard.
 

markjj

Western Thunderer
Hi Bob,

Temptation got the better of me and I have ordered 'Locomotives in detail book 7 (Riddles 9F), which is on its way from the US of A!
I couldn't track down an unused 'power of the 9Fs' just yet.
Thanks again for your suggestions.

Richard.

I brought the same book to Richard it's the only one I can find that has a view of a BR1G in its got a few nice photos in though..
The best book I have found is the Book of the 9f 2-10-0s by Richard Derry. Irwell press isbn 1903266734. It's not normally cheap if you can find it but we'll worth the money it has info on all the 9f's and photos of a lot of them.

Mark J
 

parky

Western Thunderer
Hi Grumpy
The Richard Derry book is a good read if you are trying to find out which 9f you want to model as it lists them all one by one. There is a photo of each loco but probably not the tender detail that you are looking for. The law of S*d will probably have a good shot but of a BR 1C and not 1G. When I get chance I will have a skim through for 1G's
This book sits next to my Parkin book of the MK1 coaches, in the OCD section :thumbs:
 

markjj

Western Thunderer
Thanks Mark.
This book buying malarkey gets a tad expensive! :confused:

It sure does Richard I think I have spent a fortune on books this last few weeks trying to find the last ounce of info on 9f's... It then progressed into the rest of the standards after I brought the set of 5 books that the HMRS do on BR Standards which again are a font of useful information about what's coupled to what and where they lived and when... I never realised so much info was available... Trouble is that then lead onto buying MOK 4mt kits and the story goes on..... I hope the 9f kits appear soon or I will end up in big trouble....

Mark J
 

Mr Grumpy

Western Thunderer
I love good quality books and almost wear the print off the page that I re-read them so often.
Trouble is, being retired I'm time rich but cash for modelling and books is a tad tighter!
I will try to nip across to Ropley sheds over the next couple of weeks and see if I can get some BR1G shots and if wanted can post on here later on.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Thanks Mark.
This book buying malarkey gets a tad expensive! :confused:
Depends how serious you are about your hobby, ask any keen fisherman or golfer and they'd fall around giggling at what we spend :D

Regarding BR1G tenders.

A pictorial Record of British Railways Standard Steam Locomotives by Edward Talbot -Oxford Publishing 1992

Has two full (A4) page photos of a factory fresh BR1G in photo grey at Crewe works.

The same images but much smaller appear in

The British Railways Standard 9F 2-10-0 by Philip Atkins - Irwell Press 1993
The Book of the 9F 2-10-0s by Richard Derry - Irwell Press

Failing that NRM has BR Standard drawings from Doncaster, Brighton, Swindon and Derby.

SL/DE/21165 is the BR1G/A tank arrangement (I think both tanks are pretty similar)
SL/DE/21539 & 21629 are BR1G Frame arrangements.

You'd have to eyeball them first hand to see if they give what you want but here's an idea of what you do get.

BR1 General arrangement.
SL DE 20430 pt1 - Photos - Research & archive - National Railway Museum

BR2/2A Tank arrangement.
SL DE 20219 pt1 - Photos - Research & archive - National Railway Museum

Drawings are not expensive if you want digital copies, their pricing pages seem to be down at the moment but dimly recall about £20 per drawing, they are much more expensive if you get a direct paper copy though, and much more difficult to handle ;)

Hope that helps.
 
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Mr Grumpy

Western Thunderer
Thanks again for loads of valuable information Mick.
Railways have been my life's interest since my first memory, apart from a glitch when I discovered girls and customising cars in the 70's!
When I was working, I happily parted with huge lumps of cash on live steam, touring Britain, nipping to Paris for the day or flying to Edinburgh to photograph the Forth bridge.
Trouble is, the pension just doesn't stretch so far and I often have to sell on beloved locos or stock to allow me to enjoy building kits.
I just can't afford too many books and keep up the modelling!
But, I'm not grumbling, many would love the time that I can spend on this wonderful hobby!
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Thanks again for loads of valuable information Mick.
Railways have been my life's interest since my first memory, apart from a glitch when I discovered girls and customising cars in the 70's!
When I was working, I happily parted with huge lumps of cash on live steam, touring Britain, nipping to Paris for the day or flying to Edinburgh to photograph the Forth bridge.
Trouble is, the pension just doesn't stretch so far and I often have to sell on beloved locos or stock to allow me to enjoy building kits.
I just can't afford too many books and keep up the modelling!
But, I'm not grumbling, many would love the time that I can spend on this wonderful hobby!
Sorry the above sounded a bit brash, not meant to be the case, I know exactly what you mean, I've recently sold virtually all my O gauge kits, I spent so much time rebuilding the DA A3 I decided it was easier and probably cheaper to etch my own and buy in decent castings, hence the big sell off to fund research and building etc.

To be fair, my only large expense these days is modelling and perhaps the odd beer or three, I have the perfect camera and lenses I need for the foreseeable future, so that's a zero cost hobby these days.

We all cut our cloth to suit our wardrobe :cool:
 
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Mr Grumpy

Western Thunderer
Mick,
Didn't take it that way at all :)
You are always so very generous sharing your knowledge!!
Again, many thanks for the info!!:thumbs:
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Mark, Mr G, your welcome

All of the collections are on the NRM web site to browse through, not all are on fiche though.

Drawings and papers from railway works and companies - Research & archive - National Railway Museum

For BR stuff scroll down to the Companies section and British Rail, download the pdf files and dredge through them, that'll give you a list of what you think you need, then contact NRM and set up a date to visit and they will get the files from the archives for you if they are paper ones, if they are on fiche they tend to do it on the spot if you don't have too many to browse through. Both the GA for the Britannia and Standard 5 were on fiche as was the Battle of Britain frame, stays and nameplate drawings and some of the A3, A4, V2, A1, A2 and A1/3 I've collected over the years, but an awful lot are still on paper.

For other works just scroll further down and download the pdf archives or click the Selected Drawings link in each works section for a sample of drawings from those collections.

They seem quite relaxed with regards you photographing paper drawings, I've not tried it yet but others seem to have had no problems, I usually go for CD digital copies but might go for paper ones on the next project, certainly for the GA and frame drawings, the stays and detail ones I might just try and photograph or get on CD.

All the best

Mick D
 
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