JLTRT 37/4 in S7

Pugsley

Western Thunderer
After a lot of admiring from a distance, I finally took the plunge into 7mm scale late last year. I managed to hold off actually building the kit for some time, until I finally crumbled earlier this year...

The kit isn't going to be built quite according to the instructions though - part of the inspiration for my foray into 7mm was Chris Pendleton's fully sprung Deltic. If it can be done in 4mm scale, I thought, I should be able to do it in 7mm - with the added twist of individual traction motors... :eek:

So, I am now at the stage where the first design of bogie parts has been received from the etchers and I'm currently playing with the parts and working out what's right and what needs a bit of work. I've started working on the Mk2 design, which is mostly the original parts tweaked slightly.

So, on to the photos of progress so far:

I've made the new axles, from 3/16 silver steel which are in two halves. The idea being that, once the traction motor assembly is installed on the axle, it is going to be quite difficult to set the back-to-back measurements accurately. In order to do this, and take account of any error in the manufacture of the axles, the two halves will screw into each other. The wheels will be an interference fit on the end of the axles (reamed 4.74mm), adding to the need to make the axles adjustable.
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At this stage, i still need to tap one half and run the die over the other. I've used M3 on the axles. The final drive gears have been drilled and reamed to 4.74mm, again for an interference fit on the axles.

As mentioned above, I've also been playing with the initial design of bogie parts. There is a little more work to do here, but the basics are below.


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The functional frame of the bogie is etched in 0.70 NS - the JLTRT sideframes have had the axleboxes carefully cut away with a piercing saw, which have been set aside for later. I'll drill and tap the sideframes, probably 10BA, and insert studding where the screws are. The cosmetic frames will be secured with nuts inside the cross-members. Milled down Slaters Hornblocks will run in the cut-outs, which need guides adding (something I left off the original design :oops: ) It also gives an idea of how the secondary suspension mounts are secured to the cross-members.

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The brake gear will be hung from these projections on the cross-member, with the exception of the outer ends, these will be located in the moulded brackets on the JLTRT bogie frame - these will be carefully cut from the moulding.

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I've added bearing plates to the chassis (that don't quite fit properly ATM), which the secondary springs will bear on. The part you see in the pic will be redesigned slightly to incorporate screwed adjustment to the secondary suspension. The central mount in the pic above isn't in quite the right order, but serves to demonstrate the method of transmitting the tractive effort to the 'kingpin'. The circular washer will fit around the stud secured in the chassis floor. These will be stacked up to the necessary ride height, and will locate into the square surround, soldered to the bolster. This will be composed of two layers of 0.7mm material, which should give enough latitude for the bogie to move around, without excessive slop.

That's enough of the technical stuff - I've also been doing a bit to the body, including capturing that elusive rippled effect (this isn't the best picture in the world, but it gives you an idea - it's a very hard effect to capture well on a photo!) :
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One side needs a little more work - the effect is a little too subtle at the moment, but I'm trying to concentrate on the bogies at the moment. I was hoping to have one ready for Telford, but I don't think I'm going to manage that now. The next elastic deadline is the S7 gathering at Mark in October :D
 

28ten

Guv'nor
That bogie should be pretty impressive when its finished :thumbs: will you be able to pin the gears to the axle? Im not sure I would entirely trust a glued joint in the drive train
 

Pugsley

Western Thunderer
Thanks for the vote of confidence :thumbs:

I guess the gears could be pinned, but I am a firm believer in the power of epoxy resin :lol: I'll probably try pinning if that doesn't work (I try to be an engineer, but I am a bodger at heart ;) )
 

28ten

Guv'nor
I just suggest pinning because 7mm trains tend to be heavy, if you push 20 wagons their weight is quite surprising. I have has a couple of builds fail under heavy load when gears have either slipped on the shafts or just stripped :oops:
 

Pugsley

Western Thunderer
Thanks for your kind words everyone :cool: :cool:

28ten said:
I just suggest pinning because 7mm trains tend to be heavy, if you push 20 wagons their weight is quite surprising. I have has a couple of builds fail under heavy load when gears have either slipped on the shafts or just stripped :oops:
It is very unlikely that this loco will ever haul 20 wagons - I don't envisage it ever being called to haul more than about 6 2 axle tank wagons, or 4 VDA vans. I must admit that the stripping of the plastic gears worried me to begin with, but they held up to being held in the lathe chuck whilst being drilled and reamed, so that is less of a concern to me now.

I might do as CME has suggested - glue them first in the correct position, then drill and pin them later.
 
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Simon Dunkley

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CME & Bottlewasher said:
[quote=""28ten"":2iayevpp]I just suggest pinning because 7mm trains tend to be heavy, if you push 20 wagons their weight is quite surprising. I have has a couple of builds fail under heavy load when gears have either slipped on the shafts or just stripped :oops:
I would say that pinned and glued with two part epoxy would be the way to go, I have had to do similar - yet in a simpilar way - with SM32 models, as they pull and push a fair bit of weight too.
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Aye.
The torque being applied via the final stage of the gearing will be a lot higher than you might think, so it is worth pinning the final spur gear to the axle. You may only shunt the odd wagon or two about on your own track, but one day you may take the loco with you to a get together where there is a large test track, and want to see just what the loco can do. It would be a shame if you couldn't find out due to the final drive slipping.
 

Pugsley

Western Thunderer
Thanks Rob :thumbs:

Simon - That's a good point about longer test tracks - I expect I will drill and pin the gear to the axles, but I'll glue them on first, to make sure everything stays where it should.
 

Pugsley

Western Thunderer
More progress over the weekend, and I'm pretty much at the stage of bogie assembly.  The axleboxes have been milled to rectangular, so that they fit in with the parts cut from the JLTRT sideframes.  I also planned to do this to extend the suspension travel, but after a few studies, I've noticed that the movement in the primary suspension is negligable - most of the work is done by the secondary suspension, so this is less of a problem than I thought it might have been.

 

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28ten

Guv'nor
Good progress! I have made the same mistake reaming out slaters square ends :headbang: the heat seems to soften the moulding, mind you I did it with a spoked wheel as well- still you only do it once. Are you not tempted to ballrace the gearbox? I have a source for flanged bearings that would probably fit.
 

Pugsley

Western Thunderer
I hadn't even got anywhere near the actual reaming when I squished them! I just applied too much force when trying to centre them in the 4 jaw - I hadn't even noticed I'd done it to the first one, I just wondered for ages why I couldn't centre the axle that I'd put in the central hole to run the DTI on.... :lol: It's kind of funny now, but you're right, I won't be doing it again!

The thought of using ball races on the motor had crossed my mind, but as it's the first time I've done anything like this before, I didn't want to run before i could walk (although there's been a fair bit of that going on already!) I might try and do that when I get to building the MMP 47 - I'll be making more of my own parts for that one now that I've got more of an idea what I'm doing, so may go the whole hog and have roller bearing axleboxes! I would have done that this time, but was constrained by the size of bearing required to fit the Slaters axles - I'll probably make my own for the 47, but that's at least a Sentinel away... ;)
 

Pugsley

Western Thunderer
28ten said:
If you are very clever you can also squeeze them into a standard hornblock....
Therein lies the problem! :lol: :lol:

I'll probably go the whole hog for roller bearings on the 47, but I'm quite happy with what I'm doing with this one - the slightly lower-tech solution whilst I work out exactly what I'm doing :D
 

Pugsley

Western Thunderer
The project continues at reasonable pace - the first of the traction motors is coming along nicely:
 

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28ten

Guv'nor
Pugsley said:
If I'd built it according to the instructions, it'd have been finished ages ago! :laugh:
Isnt that always the case :laugh:
Actually I am looking forward to seeing this progress and ultimately seeing how it performs
 

Pugsley

Western Thunderer
The first motor assembly is nearly finished, just the wheel/axle/final drive gear part to sort out now.  Here it is, loosely bodged together, to give an idea of how it's going to work:
 

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