Jons Workbench D6xx warships

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43179

Western Thunderer
Good evening - It's been a while since i joined WT and finally I get to post a build that seems relevant to the name of the forum , rather than beingarea 51 stuff.
So on the bench is a JLTRT D6xx warship - a nice simple kit - the bogies are quick and easy to build up - although I've spent a bit of extra time making up sanding pipes and adding some little filler caps to the sandboxes using some little scraps of brass. Later in their lives the D6xx had some extra lifting eyes added to the bogie sideframes so I've added these as well , using some castings from a class 33 kit - it just turned out they're coincidentally almost perfect for the job:
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Things go a little sketchy with the underframe - as the kit comes , each side is identical - with a pair of battery boxes , and two little steps fitted to the left and right of these , on both sides. In reality there was only ever 1 set of steps fitted on one side of the loco only. Also , on one side of the loco there was an extra little door between the two main battery compartment doors - Ive simply scribed this in and filled the old panel line, and popped a little etched brass hinge on the bottom of it:
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I've scratchbuilt a box that's also been missed from one side, and will also be adding various pipes and drains that run down either side of the battery boxes - again these have been missed in the kit, but I can understand why - they're the very devil to research , and each loco was slightly different in this area
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Regarding the box I've added in plasticard - i was told this was a shield for a toilet drain pipe - But I think that's on the right of the battery boxes - as pictures clearly show a large diameter pipe (that's not shielded in any way) running down from the body.
The model is being finished as D602 Bulldog in Blue , with small yellow panels -
Theres a cracking picture of it here , looking fairly fresh
RCTS Mystery Photographs
whats got me scratching my head a little is the color of the roof - its clearly blue in the shot above - but was it ever painted grey or is it a trick of the light and or weathering - for example here:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7261/8167910151_2a836701e5_b.jpg
and
http://www.rail-online.co.uk/img/s/v-3/p1247815126-3.jpg
http://www.luddite.me.uk/modelling/41_602.jpg
It's really got me thinking twice - what do you guys and gals think??

tfn

Jon
 
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Western Thunderer
While thinking about the body color , and squinting at lots of photos , I've also built some Engines and a boiler from SBT casting , as this is going to be a display model,
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Just temporarily popped in place for the photo - I need to research further where exactly they sit, only the rear of the engines would really be visible through the doors - and check the orientation of the boiler/burner as I've had conflicting info about this.
Jon
 
richard carr

richard carr

Western Thunderer
It's looking really good so far.
As for the colour of the roof, it would have been grey when they were painted green, but it would be all over blue once blue. Of course the roof soon goes black/dark grey/blue once it gets a bit used.

It seems a shame not to put at least one motor in there (one is plenty with 2 axles powered) so you can give it the occasional run out.

Richard
 
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Western Thunderer
Hi Richard , the model is being built for someone else and will be for just sitting there looking pretty. If it was mine I'd definately want to be able to give it a little run now and again, althouh my own personal sights are on a Fred phipps version, but thats another story...
While researching the loco it was interesting to find this model of D602 on rmweb..... D600 'Warship' - Silver Fox/Hornby models - Modifying & Detailing RTR stock
Complete with a full grey roof! - looking at the headcode on the model, whoever made it was obviously working from the famous colour shot of it at Plymouth, and I must admit , based on that photo alone Id probably have done the same!
The kit bogies are nice and quick to build , but I had to straighten out most of the parts in hot water to fit , but with these kits thats no big deal really.

Regards

Jon
 
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Western Thunderer
Good evening all , id been prepping the bodyshell for paint but things goround to halt due to some of the roof detail . The round exhaust ports are present and correct , and easy to spot in photos due to the staining round them , and the exhaust coming out of them :) But there's also two square vents on the model - I've photo'd one with its etch fitted to show what it looks like below. What are these? should they even be there - I've yet to find a prototype photo where they're clearly visible , or even a suggestion of them once being there ,and then plated over??
No sign of them here: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4111/5154206104_b6d7a6ba01.jpg
Yet , the cad for Kernows forthcoming D6xx model shows them too - confusing..
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Any ideas would be most welcome
Oh for a time machine and a digital camera!

ta for now
Jon
 
oldravendale

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Hi Jon.

Your time machine has just arrived. Unfortunately I don't think any of these photos answer your question, but they may be of some help as they are late - in fact final in the case of two of the photos as they are at Barry scrapyard.

D600 with D601. Barry. 9 Nov 1968. FINAL.jpg

D 600 in front and in blue, with D601 behind and in green, at Woodham's Barry Scrapyard on 9 November 1968. My copyright.

D603. Swindon Works. 23 May 1965. Personal Collection. Photo Brian Dale. FINAL.jpg

This is D603 in Swindon Works at what is possibly it's final overhaul on 23rd May 1965. Again my personal copyright.

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Finally, D601, again at Barry and again on 9th November 1968. This has yet to be Photoshopped so is somewhat grubby and has yet to be finalised. I was lucky to pick up some slides for scanning from my friend, Roger Vergine, among which was this one, taken when we made the pilgrimage to Barry together. Roger has generously agreed to his photos being made available for any research purposes and the copyright remains his.

Brian
 
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Western Thunderer
Those are priceless - thankyou - and I think from the last shot definately , the square vents ain't there! A nice useful clear shot of the solebar pipework too that I also have to add to the model - out with the nickel silver wire!
Much appreciated!

Jon
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
D600 certainly had one of those vents in 1958. Irwell Press 'Book of the Warships' page 40 shows a slightly elevated view of D600 and it clearly shows the vent, sadly it's not elevated enough to see if the other is there over the hump of the roof.
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Going back to your colour issue, one of the blue Warships certainly had a grey roof.

Third in line here.

68 097 220468 Laira D604

I suspect it was the correct shade blue to begin with but being a different material faded really quickly, I don't think it's worn through to the original grey as it's too hard an edge for weathering.

D600 suffered as well

9576157472_4220f59344_c.jpgNorth British Warship Type 4s D600 & D601 by Peter Foster, on Flickr
 
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Western Thunderer
Hi Mickoo - great stuff - the Laira line up is good one I've looked at before - the blue loco in that photo must of course be D602 - (if it was D600 you'd see the edges of its warning panel) and its looking like the roof is grey - but yes, I think what we're seeing is sun bleached rail blue. Its amazing how fast the paint fades, especially when considering the paint hadnt been applied for that long - there's shot of D602 withdrawn but still with a lovely glossy sheen on its paintwork
Fascinating locos - i love em!
 
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43179

Western Thunderer
Good evening , well theres nothing like a long easter weekend to get some serious modelling done -
Heres the latest with D6012 , fresh out of the paintshop - I've just quickly plonked it all together for the photo (hence the loose buffers) - The upper radiator grilles are separate etches and will be fitted last , along with the other roof grilles as they're delicate.
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A quick shot of the other side:
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- the white rectangle on the axlebox is the mileometer that I'm in the process of adding - its not included in the kit so i had to whip out the plastic strip - you can also some some of the extra detail by the battery box that I had to make from scratch - really good detail photos of this area were hard to find so in the end I went for something that looked convincing as a piece of underframe 'gubbins' . The loco looks a bit bland at the moment , but once the window frames are painted silver it'll come alive.

ta for now!
Jon
 
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