LarryG's loco & coach WB (4mm/00)

gwrrob

Western Thunderer
Did you have to alter the roof layout on the Collett coach to portray the K38 ? It looks like you've removed some vents.
 

LarryG

Western Thunderer
Sticking with the ex/GWR, this is an E148 brake composite of the type built 1934-5, the last corridor coaches with a high waistline. They lasted until December 1963. I built it around Comet etched sides a few weeks ago, but only got around to painting it yesterday....
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Bogies are off a Hornby Hawksworth coach that I messed up some weeks ago. I fitted brass adaptor plates to take tension-lock couplings...
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LarryG

Western Thunderer
An LMS D1968 corridor brake third has just been completed. This represents the more numerous 'low-sided' type with deeper than normal eaves panel above the windows and sides that over lap the floor and solebar top because of the welded construction. 'Welded' trussrods with strengthening gussets came from a Bachmann Porthole coach....
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Bachmann 'welded' type bogies were altered to provide cosmetic sideframes that were then glued to my own brass bogie innards. The coach was weathered as mentioned in previous posts...
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LarryG

Western Thunderer
HORSES for COURSES

Two Hornby LMS horseboxes arrived from a good friend at Christmas. They were intended to be barrier wagons between my Kadee coupling fitted locos and tension-lock fitted coaches, but I have been too busy to do anything with them until now.....
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Converting them to weathered layout wagons was simple. The body was clipped to the chassis so I prized a small screwdriver between the two and ping, they parted company. I protected the lettering with Mascol before giving the body sides a light coating of Halfords Rosso Red, sprayed on through the spraygun rather than direct from the rattle-can.....
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The roof was then sprayed matt black. When almost dry, the roof, ends and chassis were sprayed a much diluted dark rust colour (cellulose). Humbrol Dark Earth weathering powder and diluted PPC Dirty Black did the rest....
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The second horsebox was slightly more involved. It is a non-Westinghouse pipe box to D1972 and has electric lighting. I changed the roof vents to shell type before spraying the body sides LMS crimson lake. LMS yellow insignia was applied in BR fashion using an 'M' prefix from LMS lettering. The rest of the vehicle was treated as before but is a little muckier....
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A comparison between what BR chose to call 'crimson lake', which in all truth it in no way resembled, and the true crimson lake that had been used by the MR and LMS since the 1870's. The well-respected modeller and MRN editor J.N.Maskelyn used the description carmine red for BR's red....
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GrahameH

Western Thunderer
Hi Larry,

More lovely work above as we have come to expect from you.

Going off at a slight tangent, I am intrigued with the use of cellulose and possible affects when sprayed over enamel/acrylic base coats.

I'm sure its been discussed many time elsewhere and wondered what your methods are in respect of carrying it out.

I only ask as I would like to experiment at some future stage and any advice would be most welcome ( sorry in advance assuming you won't be giving away your trade secrets ) and not wanting to make a pigs ear of an existing reasonable paint job.

I hope you don't mind me asking ?

Grahame
 

LarryG

Western Thunderer
Well said Rob. But I would feel better if I could find a photo of a passenger train on the Chester-Shrewsbury mainline or on the Llangollen Line with a horsebox. ;)
 

LarryG

Western Thunderer
Hi Larry,

Going off at a slight tangent, I am intrigued with the use of cellulose and possible affects when sprayed over enamel/acrylic base coats.

I'm sure its been discussed many time elsewhere and wondered what your methods are in respect of carrying it out.

I only ask as I would like to experiment at some future stage and any advice would be most welcome ( sorry in advance assuming you won't be giving away your trade secrets ) and not wanting to make a pigs ear of an existing reasonable paint job.

I hope you don't mind me asking ?
Hi Grahame,
I have always used cellulose. Better finish, quick-drying, harder finish etc. I usually play safe and use a plastic primer (Halfords) as a barrier between celly and plastic. I did not play safe when spraying the horseboxes, although I should have when spraying the LMS lake cellulose.

A spraygun with full controls allows the user to vary the amount of paint-to-air leaving the gun and so this allows a careful user to spray cellulose on top of enamel. I would not recommend doing this to anyone not used to using cellulose. My job is always evolving as new products are introduced or discovered. For instance, I standardized on Halfords Satin Lacquer because it is dependable and does not dry with a chalky finish.
 

GrahameH

Western Thunderer
Hi Larry,

Thank you, I have used cellulose in the past and agree about the final finish etc.

Its interesting just to know what you use as a barrier and will give that a try when I attempt it in the future.

I also spray all of work with my "go to" airbrushes which I much prefer to use as the air to paint ratios are much more preferable to a rattle can for control.

Although I am aware of it I haven't used any Halfords Satin Lacquer yet, only due to the local store relocating to an out of town superstore in Exeter and it has become less convenient . As I no longer drive ( my choice ) there is one at the end of the local line in Barnstaple so I will purchase some next time I go there.

As you rightly say, its all about discovering different products.

Once again, thank you.

Grahame
 

LarryG

Western Thunderer
Last year I looked at gluing Kadee coupling boxes to coach bogies, but they were a bit fiddly for my old fingers. Instead, I bought a Hornby corridor brake third with swinging NEM sockets and built a brass LMS D1730 'All-Steel' brake third body to fit the plastic chassis. The D1730 coach sides are by Comet but the floor and ends are my etchings.....
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Close-up of the riveted end overlays. I then snapped the ends off the floor and soldered them to the sides before gluing the body to the Hornby chassis....
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The conventional LMS angle trussing was removed to leave just the batterybox and regulator box on the opposite side as per Lot 578 built at Wolverton on Metro-Cammell frames. This batch had longer Stones vents above the windows. Note I had filled the holes in on the comet sides....
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The all-steel bodies were self-supporting and did not require conventional trussing....
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A close-up view of the brake end. Those extra large steps were in fact added strengthening to prevent telescoping in the event of a collision or derailment....
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I had the Stones vents etched in nickel silver some years ago to speed up the building process. The LMS and BR were fully aware of the strength of these coaches and used them as the leading vehicle in many express trains...
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LarryG

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Stripping recently painted maroon coaches and turning them out in red & cream to suit the early 1950's period is daft so this is the last one. The remainder will be sold....
This is a C81, the final GWR design before the postwar Hawksworth designs. The mid to late 1930's coaches were known as Sunshine coaches, but the corridor windows on the C81 must have let more sun in than any of them! It carries its running number W 761 at the LH end and is representative of a clean coach....
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The two images were photographed on my desk tonight under different lighting, hence the yellow cast on the lower image. Seats were painted fawn with brown vertical stripes while compartment walls were cream....
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Jinty

Western Thunderer
Hi Larry,

Nice to see you here, and lovely work as usual. I'm probably guilty of not coming on here enough, but I think it's time I did.

David ;)
 

LarryG

Western Thunderer
Hi David, I trust you are feeling well again. Your weathering was truly inspirational, so yup.......I look forward to seeing more of your work. :thumbs:

The overnight storms have petered out so I have taken outdoor shots of the C81 corridor third....
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LarryG

Western Thunderer
Working backwards through diagrams, this is a potted history of GWR corridor thirds... The C77....WEB GWR C77 1.jpg WEB GWR C77 2.jpg
The C70. both sides were identical except for toilet windows and was not unlike the LMS Stanier corridor third...
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The C67 represented the final flowering of the high waist/all-door design.....
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Chris P

Member
Finally!! I've found a forum with you on it!!
Marvellous!!!
The shots of the ex-Midland brake have answered a question as to what colour were the recesses for the door handles painted in crimson and cream? Thank You!
I have embraced fully, your idea of using commercial power-drives under kits, namely the C Class under an L&Y class27. Works great, thanks. i'm also using underframes from r-t-r coaches under kit built bodies. In my case, it is old Airfix LMS underframes! I have a large stock of old Airfix coaches, both inherited and bought at shows. I realise they need a touch of detailing! but that is modelling! and they do save so much time, of which it has been impressed on me this summer, I have a finite amount of!!!!
I'm looking forward to following this thread!
All the best,
Chris.
 

LarryG

Western Thunderer
A GWR D121 corridor brake third built onto a RTR chassis so it could have Kadee couplings at one end, but it was too much effort. Weathered to look rather grimy as if it was an early blood & custard repaint with running number in the first BR position. These and the similar D124 can be seen in photos taken on the Dee Valley route....
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When I want to fit Kadee's, the simplest option is to buy a RTR coach and adapt the colours to suit oneself....
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