Leading Crankpins

SteveB

Western Thunderer
I wonder if you would be interested in my way of making leading crankpins. When I was building my std 4 tank I tried to find on this forum (and others) what other people do. I couldn’t really find much. Even Adrian skirted around the subject in his build notes (please don’t be offended Adrian, I’m certainly not having a go at you, quite the opposite actually). So I came up with my own idea. It may have been dealt with before and I just didn’t spot it. If so, then I apologise.

Here’s a couple of close up photos of my 8F. Having taken the close ups, I realise how cruel they can be and how far I’ve got to go before I get close other kit builders on this forum.

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If you’re still interested, then read on. I start off with an M2 x 6 countersunk stainless steel socket screw. Incidentally, the AF size of the key is 1.27mm, the same as used on Slaters wheels. I then take an M2 brass nut and countersink it until almost all of the thread has gone. Then screw the nut onto the screw. I measure the distance between the outer faces of the nut and screw head and adjust the position of the nut until it’s the overall thickness of the coupling rod plus a bit (0.1mm). I then silver solder the nut an screw so it’s a single piece.

If you’ve never used silver solder, then its dead easy. Easier I would say, then using a soldering iron and soft solder. It needs a different flux and it needs more heat (well within the range of a micro torch, for these items at least) but that about it. I dare say that a high melting point soft solder would suffice, but I think you’ll find silver soldering easier. I think you’ll need a special flux for the soft solder and stainless steel combination anyway.

The next bit is much easier with a lathe, but at the time I did the 2-6-4T I didn’t have one and just used a needle file with the screw in a mini drill. Turn or file the brass to a suitable diameter (I’ve done mine to 2.5mm) and reduce the flange thickness to slightly more than the thickness of the recessed coupling rod etch. An M2 washer is held captive against the wheel to provide clearance, especially if the coupling rods don’t have thicker ends. Obviously, the hole in the coupling rod outer etch needs to be slightly bigger (0.1 to 0.2mm) bigger than the head diameter of the screw. The screws I bought were 3.8mm diameter. It is also possible to use a bit more silver solder and actually increase the outer diameter of the screw if needed, although you have to go careful, not to fill the socket!

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So far, I’ve only done wheels provided by S7 Group. These are made by Slaters but they have a steel or brass bush for the crankpins. I don’t see any reason though why a ‘normal’ Slaters wheel would object to being threaded M2.

Incidentally, one of the best tools I have in my workshop is a special hex key for Slaters wheels made by Peter Roles. It just makes fitting the screws ten times easier than a conventional Allen key. I came across it quite by accident. I debated whether it was worth it, but I can assure you it is.

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Regards

Steve
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Here’s a couple of close up photos of my 8F. Having taken the close ups, I realise how cruel they can be and how far I’ve got to go before I get close other kit builders on this forum.
The camera can be your best friend... if you accept what the camera says and act accordingly. All bar the final image can remain hidden on the cutting room floor (under your workbench).

As for the photos in your post here, one slotted screwhead in photo one and a splash of stray solder in photo two - what are you worried about?
 

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
Steve,
Admittedly the context is missing from the thread (I was more focussed on explaining the technique), but what I do is put a 10BA screw in the back of the wheel, then a washer and then screw a threaded bush down on the screw from the front:

Tapping Slater's crankpin bushes for 10BA crankpins

Your approach is excellent and much easier to do up/undo than mine would be under the same circumstances.

Steph
 

simond

Western Thunderer
My approach is as Steph's, with the exception of my 1366 pannier, which required a counterbore in the rods to sink the flange into the thickness of the rod.

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Best
Simon
 

SteveB

Western Thunderer
The camera can be your best friend...

I don't understand why but you're right. I obviously know about the screw slots but I hadn't seen the 'stray solder'.

Admittedly the context is missing from the thread (I was more focussed on explaining the technique), but what I do is put a 10BA screw in the back of the wheel, then a washer and then screw a threaded bush down on the screw from the front:

I've often been accused of looking for things like a man. That is, with my eyes closed! I must have missed your post. I wonder what else I've missed. Quite a lot I expect.

Regards

Steve
 
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