LMS First Class Sleepers

Discussion in 'Coaching stock' started by parky, 10 March 2019.

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    parky

    parky Western Thunderer

    Hi

    I am trying to draw up the coach ends for a 69 foot sleeper to D1926. What I can't find is the profile dimensions despite having the Jenkinson bibles on LMS coaching stock. Does anyone have them to hand please as all I can find is the BR MK1 details
     
  2. BrushType4

    BrushType4 Western Thunderer

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  3. LarryG

    LarryG Western Thunderer

    This might assist. 9' 2ΒΌ" at waist....
    WEB LMS Stanier sleeper end profile.jpg
     
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  4. parky

    parky Western Thunderer

    Thanks Phil, Damn gone and bought his other tomes :rolleyes:

    LMS Coaches an illustrated history
    Historic Carriage Drawings Volume Two

    The nearest I can get is a random arrow saying 3'4" and possibly 8'. I have most of the coach into QCAD in 7mm now and once completed and checked by a knowledgeable friend I hope to get it off to the etchers

    I was well impressed with the Sidelines 12w dining car that I have, it looks the business on it's monster bogies. The first class sleeper is a simpler design than the dining car and not available so I thought I would give it a go. A rake of 3 or 4 of those will go well on the back of my other coaches
     
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  5. parky

    parky Western Thunderer

    Thanks Larry I will give that a go full scale and play around with the 3'4" & 8' that I found and see whether I can get something to resemble that

    Enjoying reading your threads on the history of the coaches :thumbs:
     
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  6. parky

    parky Western Thunderer

    That 4mm scale drawings book is on the way so the should be able to get on with the CAD next week

    It's interesting to compare the build methods of the Comet 4mm coaches alongside the Sidelines 7mm. I won't start any accusations of plagiarism, but they do look vaguely similar. So my take on the 1st Class Sleeper design will have some credibility if I can get things to fit
     
  7. parky

    parky Western Thunderer

    I have got on a bit further with things since amassing the library of drawings. It's been 25 years since my last use of CAD and thanks to Adrian's helpful QCAD videos the plan is coming together

    There are still some pieces to finish off and the finer details to draw, but I am pleased with progress. This is one big sheet and it's still missing the extra copies of the interior partitions and this printing on an A2 sheet

    I must go back and read the guides from PPD as to what they require to etch this for me. I remember something about red and blue layers so they can produce their print sheet. There was also the option to send the both sides of the etch which is cheaper as they have less to do. That sounds like a plan ;)

    And when I want a change I can go and get the hot stick out and finish the three other coaches to go with these sleepers
    Sleeper.jpg
     
  8. JimG

    JimG Western Thunderer

    They now prefer the top and bottom fills in black with the bottom one being a mirror of the top

    https://ppdltd.com/images/example-artwork.pdf

    I think they will accept "traditional" red and blue fills and do a bit more prep themselves, but there will obviously be an increased setup charge.

    Jim.
     
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  9. parky

    parky Western Thunderer

    Thanks Jim, that sounds like the plan. As this will only be a short run of maybe 3-4 I want to keep the costs down, so will do the mirrored fills

    It's been interesting so far working from the drawings and sorting out how I am going to make it fit