1/32 Looking For Drawing Sources Lner Scratch Build

mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Gents, in true WT scatter gun ideology, I'm looking for a source of detailed drawings for A4 class or Peppercorn Pacifics, will take A3 class and other tanks as well, specifically enough information for frames and spacers (cross sections on A4), something akin to the details you get in the LMS profile series of books, ie based on works drawings preferably. Don't care what scale but bigger is better.

Books or source links ideal, as I say, like the LMS profile series but LNER would be perfect, failing that a set of drawings like you get for 2.5" or 5" model making etc or scratch building so general side top and end views not really sufficient to proceed. Doug Hewson does some good ones for Britannias (get to them later :) ) etc but nowt LNER as far as I can see.

Thanks in advance
 
Tony West

Tony West

Western Thunderer
mickoo said:
Gents, in true WT scatter gun ideology, I'm looking for a source of detailed drawings for A4 class or Peppercorn Pacifics, will take A3 class and other tanks as well, specifically enough information for frames and spacers (cross sections on A4), something akin to the details you get in the LMS profile series of books, ie based on works drawings preferably. Don't care what scale but bigger is better.

Books or source links ideal, as I say, like the LMS profile series but LNER would be perfect, failing that a set of drawings like you get for 2.5" or 5" model making etc or scratch building so general side top and end views not really sufficient to proceed. Doug Hewson does some good ones for Britannias (get to them later :) ) etc but nowt LNER as far as I can see.

Thanks in advance
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Mick,
have you tried the Gresley society or the LNER study group ??.
Cheers Tony.
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Tony West said:
Mick,
have you tried the Gresley society or the LNER study group ??.
Cheers Tony.
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Tony, thats precisely the sort of leads I'm looking for, I didn't even know they existed, will research now over lunch.

Much obliged
 
Steph Dale

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
Mick,

Why not go back to the original source material? Copies of GAs (etc) are readily available from the NRM. Rob Pulham started a thread in the reources area of WT...

Steph
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Steph,

Yes a good source, I went to York and personally looked through works drawings on microfiche for my Battle of Britain project, and you really do need to check them in person as often the descriptions are not what you really wanted, I went with a list of 100 or more and threw 75 away as next to useless for my work. I only picked up frame drawings and spacers, some cab details, bogie and trailing truck and nameplate details to the cost of £300, you can get all that and more in the LMS profile series for £18.95 LOL.

The source is superb but at their prices you really need to justify the expenditure, I'd already exhausted other avenues for the BoB before my last trip, ohh and add in the 300 mile round trip LOL, I'd like to explore all other sources before commiting to a York trip for the A4 or which ever prototype I choose, that was all :).

Kindest
 
Susie

Susie

Western Thunderer
Hi Mick,

Don Young did a design for an A3 with supplimentary sheets for an A4 in 5" Gauge. The dresign was prepared using works drawings, photographs and measuring the real thing! A friend is just finishing a model of Silver Fox from these and it looks really good. The drawings are still available from Reeve,

http://shop.ajreeves.com/doncaster-drawing-set-17-sheets-2422-p.asp

There was also a construction series in 'Locos Large and Small' from August 1983 to Aug 1987 (15 parts), which you might be able to pick up secondhand cheaper than the drawing set. The full sheets are reproduced to a smaller scale in the magazine, but quite readable.

Susie
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Susie, wow, that's a nice site, drawings for Rebuilt Scots and Jubilees too, that's a bonus!.

I'd like to see a sample of one of the working drawings before parting with that amount of money but they do look good. I've compared his Britannia with Hewsons and, well Hewsons has the vote at the moment, attached, a sample put up free on Model Engineer last year.

Kindest
 

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Susie

Susie

Western Thunderer
Ahh, I should have mentioned Isinglass. John Edgeson who did the drawings lived near me, so I always popped round to buy the ones I wanted. He had links with the NRM hence their accuracy. Since John passed away, his son has digitised the drawings and can supply them in any scale. However, the originals were all done to 4mm scale, and so do have limitations when blown up to a large size. Also, they might not have the details you require, but they are a good reference.

The Don Young drawings will give most details, but they are meant for building a 5" gauge loco. To this end, although the working parts are all to scale and correct, things like vacuum brake cylinders etc aren't shown. Also, the backhead is laid out for a working model.

Susie
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Ahh Isinglass, not actually heard anything positive about them to be honest, except very good for 4mm and GA type drawings but of little use for 'engineering' models. I have no doubt they are accurate but have a feeling that they show little internal arrangements like brake linkages, frame spacers, smoke box internals or bogie internal details etc, let alone detailed inside valve gear or drive train, all the sort of stuff that comes to the fore in larger scales.

There is a fine line between super detailed drawings for larger scale locomotives and working locomotives, it is generally assumed that once you get to gauge 1 and above you should automatically begin to shed details, for example rivets on tenders or details on cab side sheet interiors etc, the emphasis being on 'working' models rather than detailed models. To be fair such details like brake cylinders and parts for miniature live steam are always going to be compromised and drawings that show those enlarged parts are certain designed for 'working' models not detailed models.

Kindest
 
Susie

Susie

Western Thunderer
Hi Mick,

Without recourse to the NRM, perhaps the best option would be to use Don Young's drawings for outline and general details, together with the GA and sections in the two volumes of "The Gresley Pacifics" for the other details. The books have detail drawings of the valve gear, con rods etc.

Susie

PS Just noticed the books are available as a single volume from Amazon

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/0715383205/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

Susie
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Susie, excellent, that's the sort of thing I was looking for, copy on order :). I have the D&C equivalent on Stanier 4-6-0's and its very good with lots of little bits of info here and there.

I'm surprised there are no tomes for LNER locos like the LMS profile series. Dogstar also mentioned some Yeadon volumes that showed tender details for A4s in photos, maybe they also show cab and loco details as well, might need to pick those up as well.

Kindest
 
JimG

JimG

Western Thunderer
Mick,

This will be of absolutely no help to you at all:) , but I have had an interest in building a Garratt and I thought about building a GMAM class of the South African Railways. I was able to get a complete set of works drawings in PDF format - over 400 drawings - for £20 + postage from an internet source in South Africa. It did make me realise how badly served we are in the UK when we have to scrabble around in incomplete archives and cough up £20+ for one copy of a drawing which may not be the correct one.:(

[Later] Here's the web site for the SAR drawings

http://www.sarsteam.co.za/

Jim.
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
JimG said:
Mick,

This will be of absolutely no help to you at all:) , but I have had an interest in building a Garratt and I thought about building a GMAM class of the South African Railways. I was able to get a complete set of works drawings in PDF format - over 400 drawings - for £20 + postage from an internet source in South Africa. It did make me realise how badly served we are in the UK when we have to scrabble around in incomplete archives and cough up £20+ for one copy of a drawing which may not be the correct one.:(

[Later] Here's the web site for the SAR drawings

http://www.sarsteam.co.za/

Jim.
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Jim,

Ohh contrare rodders, been looking for drawings for a 25NC for years...and now I have some....in the post :).

Thanks for a brilliant link, also sorting through the NWHS drawings and sorting what I might need for a Y6 or A class Mallet, my scatter gun reaches far and wide! LOL. A little more expensive than the SAR locos but worth every penny just the same and about 100x cheaper than any UK official drawings.

You can get most US steam locos from different sources, also looking at UP FEF3 and Challenger classes, the only problem with going overseas for prototypes are wheels, need to be a little inventive here for the larger scales etc.

I've already got a good enough set for the C&O H7, certainly good enough for 4mm but need to find some details on frames and spacers and the Allegheny book by Eugene L Huddleston has a fair few for the C&O Allegheny class. You rarely get this with UK books, other than the LMS profile series I've mentioned, all you get are the GA plans and if your lucky the odd technical drawing.

Would love to see some progress photos when you get going!, what scale or gauge were you thinking of?.

Kindest
 
JimG

JimG

Western Thunderer
mickoo said:
Ohh contrare rodders, been looking for drawings for a 25NC for years...and now I have some....in the post :).
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An SSMRS member is building the condensing version in 3/16" scale.

SAR_Tender01-x.jpg
SAR_Tender02-x.jpg
SAR_Tender03-x.jpg

All scratchbuilt with his own castings. The fans work and he has got an array of speakers in there for the DCC sound. :) The 16T mineral wagon in the lowest picture is there to give an idea of the scale of the beast. The builder is Barry Witham and the pictures are his.

You might find that the postal delivery from South Africa is very slow or non-existant. The web owner finished up giving me access to a download area to download my file.

Jim.
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
That looks nice, what's 3/16th scale in English LOL, never heard of it before. Loved the sound of the exhaust turbos the condenser locos made, very distinct.

Thanks for the tip on the postage, how long did you wait before he offered the download, I'd have preferred that in the first place to be honest.

Kindest
 
JimG

JimG

Western Thunderer
mickoo said:
That looks nice, what's 3/16th scale in English LOL, never heard of it before. Loved the sound of the exhaust turbos the condenser locos made, very distinct.
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3/16" scale, otherwise known as S scale - the scale of the gods - truly imperial - we play Land of Hope and Glory every time we run a train.:)

Thanks for the tip on the postage, how long did you wait before he offered the download, I'd have preferred that in the first place to be honest.
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I'll have to dig back through my emails to see the timeline. IIRC, The sender warned me that the South African post Office could be very slow and then he emailed me after two or three weeks to see if the CD had arrived and when it hadn't, he set up the download.[/quote]

Jim
 
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