1/32 Looking For Drawing Sources Lner Scratch Build

mickoo

Western Thunderer
3/16" scale, otherwise known as S scale - the scale of the gods - truly imperial - we play Land of Hope and Glory every time we run a train.:)



I'll have to dig back through my emails to see the timeline. IIRC, The sender warned me that the South African post Office could be very slow and then he emailed me after two or three weeks to see if the CD had arrived and when it hadn't, he set up the download.

Jim[/quote]
Ahh S scale, heard of that on and off LOL, is it a popular scale? or one that has a dedicated following on the fringes. I presume almost everything has to be scratch built?, its not a scale I'm very familiar with TBH.

Kindest
 

JimG

Western Thunderer
Ahh S scale, heard of that on and off LOL, is it a popular scale? or one that has a dedicated following on the fringes. I presume almost everything has to be scratch built?, its not a scale I'm very familiar with TBH.

Mick,

In the UK it has a dedicated following and there are a few of us on this forum.:) The UK S Scale Society has around about 100 members and that number has stayed fairly constant over the past few years. A lot of scatchbuilding is necessary, but we make a lot of use of all the modern production methods to make "aids to scratchbuilding". The scale is also popular in New Zealand and, to a lesser extemt, in parts of Australia where modelling Cape Gauge in S means that you can make use of H0 track parts and wheels and mechanisms.. But the country with the largest following in S is the US where there is good commercial support and a lot of RTR product.

S scale, or 3/16":ft, was one in the old Imperial range of scales which was the successive halving of full scale, and your 1/32 scale, or 3/8":ft is the next scale up in this range. :)

Jim.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Well a prod to John at SAR steam produced the drawings by download after nearly a 8 week delay on postage, just need to discretly print off nearly 500 pages at A3 from the office printer when no one is looking LOL.

My choice now is either 1/32 loco on 7mm track or 2.5" gauge on 1/32 track, or as near as is practicable, once decided I can then scale and print off the correct size to measure directly from, choices, choices!.

Kindest
 

JimG

Western Thunderer
Well a prod to John at SAR steam produced the drawings by download after nearly a 8 week delay on postage, just need to discretly print off nearly 500 pages at A3 from the office printer when no one is looking LOL.

I was wondering how you were getting on with the delivery of the drawings. :) I wonder why he just doesn't offer a download service from the start - but perhaps that might cost him more in ISP charges for an increased throughput from the site. But it is a superb collection of all the engineering drawings for a class of locomotive. I think the set for the GMAM total about 420. There's absolutely no excuse for guesswork now. :)

My choice now is either 1/32 loco on 7mm track or 2.5" gauge on 1/32 track, or as near as is practicable, once decided I can then scale and print off the correct size to measure directly from, choices, choices!.

Another option is what the New Zealanders do - 9mm scale on 32mm gauge, or use 31.5mm gauge to be spot on. With the tremendous size of loading gauge on the SAR I doubt if any UK 1/32, or even 10mm scale, modellers would notice. :)

Jim.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Jim, 9mm is an odd scale?, I suppose it's to suit a standard track readily available, I was thinking of 7mm fine scale track which comes out at 33mm and then 9.5mm scale (1/32) fits almost perfectly, it does mean you need to make all your own track though and I doubt as you say anyone would even notice 1/32 on stock 32mm track.

I asked about a download option in my mail, nil response, I'd even pay an extra $5.00 for the option to be honest, the plans are so cheap what's an extra $5.00 to the cost?

I might spring for a GMAM set but much prefer the look of the Zimbabwe 15A class some how. I wish we could plans this good in this country even at double or triple SAR Steams prices they'd still be a bargin, last year I dropped £300 at NRM door for just over a dozen WC/ BoB digitized drawings (shriek!).

Kindest
 

JimG

Western Thunderer
Jim, 9mm is an odd scale?

Not as odd as 7mm. :)

I suppose it's to suit a standard track readily available, I was thinking of 7mm fine scale track which comes out at 33mm and then 9.5mm scale (1/32) fits almost perfectly, it does mean you need to make all your own track though and I doubt as you say anyone would even notice 1/32 on stock 32mm track.

I think the reason for the 9mm scale was to use 7mmFS track and wheel standards in general which would give close to scale wheel profile dimensions in the larger scale. I suspect that the appearance of readily available 7mm scale track would not look too good being used in 9mm scale. I have a friend in NZ who models to the scale but I've just tried to find his website, but with no luck so far. I'll see if I can check up with him on what's going on. I know he has moved house after last year's earthquakes so maybe his internet setup has been re-arranged.

Jim
 

JimG

Western Thunderer
Jim, 9mm is an odd scale?, I suppose it's to suit a standard track readily available, I was thinking of 7mm fine scale track which comes out at 33mm and then 9.5mm scale (1/32) fits almost perfectly, it does mean you need to make all your own track though and I doubt as you say anyone would even notice 1/32 on stock 32mm track.

Just found this short history of the scale by Nelson Kennedy

http://downunder.railfan.net/history.html

There is also a web site for a supplier of parts for NZ prototypes but that is under re-construction at the moment.

Jim.
 

JimG

Western Thunderer
I might spring for a GMAM set but much prefer the look of the Zimbabwe 15A class some how. I wish we could plans this good in this country even at double or triple SAR Steams prices they'd still be a bargin, last year I dropped £300 at NRM door for just over a dozen WC/ BoB digitized drawings (shriek!)

Just in case others are wondering what we are referring to, I just remembered there's a manifest of all the drawings for my GMAM set supplied as a PDF file - actually over 430 of them. I'll see if I can attach it to this message.

[Edit - Whoops - conspired to get two copies attached. :) ]

Jim.
 

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micknich2003

Western Thunderer
What is your problem with the drawings held at the NRM? Make a personal visit, ask to see the original drawings and fire away with your Digi camera, you can take as many pictures you wish, and all for free.
 

JimG

Western Thunderer
What is your problem with the drawings held at the NRM? Make a personal visit, ask to see the original drawings and fire away with your Digi camera, you can take as many pictures you wish, and all for free.

But the visit isn't. :) For me it would be a 400+ mile round trip. :)

Jim.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
What is your problem with the drawings held at the NRM? Make a personal visit, ask to see the original drawings and fire away with your Digi camera, you can take as many pictures you wish, and all for free.

I don't have a problem with the drawings held at NRM, except the cost :(. Sadly a digi camera wont work, it is not accurate enough, to get enough of the drawing in, other than standing on foot steps about 10 feet high, you need quite a wide lens, 24mm or so, that will produce parallax errors from anything outside of about 40% of the centre of the drawing. You also need to be at 90° to the drawing to get anything like near to scale across the image....negating the 24mm parallax errors already in process.

Even if successful you then need to stitch them all together and then print off or use as a base layer to draw over the top to get accurate scale drawings. At some point in the process you need to print off a set of drawings to make the parts from, unless you draw direct onto the material from the photos. I'm doing something similar with my SAR 18E,

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in this case I've only got a GA to work from, but it gives the essential dimensions and by choosing photos carefully and minimising the parallax errors you can scale off them reasonably well, I say reasonably well, there are always errors but you have to decide if they are acceptable or not, in the case of a 1:32 A3 or A4 then 1-2mm error is not acceptable, for a SAR 18E where there is virtually no publicised data at all then 3-4mm error would be acceptable. That one photo of the 18E comes from a collection of over 700, I'd say 1-2% from that lot are usable for drawing aids, try and find 700 decent digital images of any UK steam engine on the internet, as a nation we just do not post good detail images on the net as much as other nations I'm afraid, but, it is a darn sight easy top pop down to your local preservation society and bag a hand full of detail shots, the same cannot be said for South Africa LOL.

If drawings are available then they should be used to get the best you can, and accepting the potential cost, if not then you have to resort to making your own as best you can. One other factor, making a personal visit, its over a 400 mile round trip for me and that's £70 worth of petrol, for that I can get nearly 4 lots of factory drawings of SAR steam locos.

I've also added a sample from the SAR steam site....a free sample anyone can download, just saving y'all the time to do it..... of one of their drawings for the GEA, the digital drawings I got from NRM for my WC/ BoB project for a very high price were no where near as good a quality as this.

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Hope that makes sense.
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
I shall apologise now for posting, here, a message with what might appear to be a tenuous link.... however, Mick asked about drawings for LNER A4 engines and this post is about the same / similar subject.

I am looking for a photo or drawing which shows how the front edge of the cab roof overlaps... or does not... the front of the cab - I have been searching internet images and the results are not conclusive as to an overlap (or not) and the size of same (if it exists). So a drawing or a photo (broadside or 3/4 front of cab)... or a reference to where such can be found on t'internet.

thank you, Graham
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
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I shall apologise now for posting, here, a message with what might appear to be a tenuous link.... however, Mick asked about drawings for LNER A4 engines and this post is about the same / similar subject.

I am looking for a photo or drawing which shows how the front edge of the cab roof overlaps... or does not... the front of the cab - I have been searching internet images and the results are not conclusive as to an overlap (or not) and the size of same (if it exists). So a drawing or a photo (broadside or 3/4 front of cab)... or a reference to where such can be found on t'internet.

thank you, Graham
Drawing no, photo yes....I just have to find it, saw one recently and was struck how similar it was to the P2/ A2/2 cab front, back in a moment I hope with said imagery.

As an aside now actively looking for Gresley/Peppercorn 6'8" detailed wheel drawings for possible CAD master for 3D printing like those noted above for the 25NC. A NRM drawing reference will suffice as I need another trip up there some time soon to hopefully get detail shots of what ever A4 they have I can crawl over.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Ok quick peruse but not a definitive close up shot yet, will keep searching.

Some over lap, some do not, I presume you are talking about the whale hump in the centre of the cab roof?

Err, no... the cab roof either side of the centre portion - there are suggestions of shadows in photos of some A4s and no shadows in pictures of other A4s. To be honest, I am at a loss as to what is correct.

Thank you Mick for looking and posting the above.

regards, Graham
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Err, no... the cab roof either side of the centre portion - there are suggestions of shadows in photos of some A4s and no shadows in pictures of other A4s. To be honest, I am at a loss as to what is correct.

Thank you Mick for looking and posting the above.

regards, Graham
Ohh, right, in that case never seen any cab roof extending over the front window as I recall but will recheck my books, back later.
 
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