Mickoos European dabblings

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Mick,
Those motors look like the old Maerklin HO motor. There are ways round the problem and I'm tempted to suggest looking to see what those nice people at SBModellbau can do in terms of a drop-in. I've got a couple of HO-scale locos with SB motor kits and they run superbly.
In principle though, yes; it's crying out for a more 'scale' drive system. I'm far from certain, but are the bits and pieces I do any help in that regard?
Steph
Steph,

Yes, your bits are exactly what I have in mind for an authentic V100, V160, V200 drive system, they'd certainly fit the more modern drive trains seen in recent models of the V100, as seen in this Marklin upgrade Umbau Märklin V 100.10 und V 100.20 in Etappen - Spur 1 Eigenbau - Spur 1 Gemeinschaftsforum and I thought that was what I was going to get to be honest :rolleyes:

I'll be looking at 3/16" axles with roller bearings and new wheels set up, but it'll be the transfer box between the tanks that takes the drive up through the body that will need some thinking about when I get there.

To fit your gear in here will require whole new inner bogies and some serious metal work between the fuel tanks to make it all work. I'm happy to do all that with the etched project as I can build it up to suit that drive. The time taken to convert this model would be better spent on the art work for the etch project, at worse I can simply shift over the current engine body onto my more 'engineered' frame and bogies. There's a lot of water to pass under that bridge once the W1 is on it's way ;).

Thanks for the tip off on SBM'bau I'll give them a look, they could be HO motors, they're small enough to fit in a HO model....just.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Couple more B&W neg scans.

V160 - Br.218 at Flensburg
218 178-2-2.jpg

Kof III - Br.333 on empty stock at Flensburg
333 203-8-2.jpg

I like the look of the coach behind, simple angular construction and constant curve roof.
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
like the look of the coach behind, simple angular construction and constant curve roof.

These are DB Umbauwagen. Started off as 6 wheel coaches then rebuilt into bogie coaches.

My old model club in Tring has links with Neu Isenburg model railway club and the latter have a 6 wheel Umbauwagen which they converted into a club room with a small cinema and bar. The bogie postal vehicle on the right is their main club room with layouts. They are based in the old Neu Isenburg goods yard which is now built over. This picture is from their website and they are in the process of renovating the signal box with assistance from Neu Isenburg Town Council.

neu.jpg
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Dave, not sure about 6 wheelers converted to bogies, I think the 6 wheelers were originally 6 wheelers and remained the same after rebuilding, the bogie stock the same. Some of the under frames go way back almost to the first world war is my understanding.

None the less they are a utilitarian quick build and quite easy to mock up, though I suspect there's probably a million different variations through given the origins of the original stock.

I think I could just get a 6 wheel Umbauwagen in my back garden ;)
 

Dikitriki

Flying Squad
Mick,

Dave is right about the conversion. 2 six wheel coaches were cut and shut onto a bogie underframe. In fact, I think the rebuilds were most attractive vehicles with the recessed centre doors and steps.

Richard
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Mick,

Dave is right about the conversion. 2 six wheel coaches were cut and shut onto a bogie underframe. In fact, I think the rebuilds were most attractive vehicles with the recessed centre doors and steps.

Richard
Mmmm all of them? There's plenty of 6 wheelers running around as well as the bogie versions I thought. The Umbau (rebuilt) shape we are discussing here, did not appear until 53/54, only the frames were retained.

My German 1977 stock book shows 6 wheel AB 3yge 756 and BD 3yg 766 as still in service along side the bogie stock, over 4000 of them.

I'm not saying some were not converted to bogie stock, just that I can find (currently) no evidence that they were, my understanding is that it is the bodies which are common and it was two 6 wheel bodies that were joined together to fit onto the bogie stock and hence the middle doors.

Bogie stock was always bogie stock, 6 wheel stock was either six wheel stock or 4 wheel with extended frames to 6 wheel length and an extra axle added.

Have a wade through this thread which has some nice shots and details

Drehscheibe Online Foren :: 04 - Historische Bahn :: Erscheinungsformen der vierachsigen DB-Umbauwagen (4yg; m25B)

This page here seems to detail the bogie stock in anorak detail, I've not had chance to wade through it yet.

4-achs. DB Umbauwagen

I'll not contest the aesthetics though, they certainly have an appeal.
 
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Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
I'm with Mick on this - new bodies on old (lengthened) underframes - much as the Southern and DR (East Germany) did.

Steph
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Perhaps brevity was my enemy but that's what I thought I'd said, although I will concede I did not specify 'body' :)

Cheers

Richard
No problem.

As an engineer it struck me odd, that in post war torn Germany it would be folly to cut and shut two 13m 6 wheel coaches into a 19m bogie coach and then take the bogies from probably other bogie coaches to make it run?

I'm not even sure it was two six wheel bodies now, there appears to be several types, some with six windows, some with five either side of the centre doors. It appears they simply cookie cut the bodies and then cut and shut them to suit what ever refurbished frames they could lay their hands on.

What I do like about the second site I listed, is all the RAL colours inside and out for the duration of their lives, most informative.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Mick,

Did you go after the battered 103 on Ebay? I note it's ended at a pretty competitive price.

Richard
No, I'm afraid I walked past it. Mind, for that price I can just about squeeze a new or barely used good condition V200, though finding Eph IV is rather difficult.

I've some more plans and books coming and stumbled across this site a while ago Güterwagen Baupläne might be worth a punt of a couple of sets of wagon drawings.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Richard,

Cheers, some interesting stuff there, specifically Br.23 (no idea what the *DET* drawings are) and most of the Umbauwagens, I note one with baggage and drivers controls? Both four and three axle versions.
 

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
Mick,
DB used push pull operation with some BR38 and, I think, BR23. I've got a Railway World article about it somewhere...
Steph
 
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