Mk1 Resources And Parts

28ten

Guv'nor
My main motivation for the u/f is that I have agreed to build a second batch of mk1, making 20 in total, and I want a quicker/better way of making the truss and other parts. Personally I wouldn't entertain plastic for the truss parts, and on the EZB coaches I have done in the past it was binned and replaced with brass section. For similar reasons I will do the frames in half etched 8 or 10 thou and zap the glazing in the laser.
Does anyone know if Peter cowling will be at Reading or Bristol?
 

Railwaymaniac

Western Thunderer
I think that I have a reasonable 'half way' for the EZB underframe, using some plastic ('cos I can't replicate some parts in brass) and some brass to hold it all in place
I hope to be posting my solution in about a week or so, please blame my snail-like progress speed . . .

Ian
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
I have specifically chosen not to form the whole truss L angle by folding as I personally find it impossible to fold a 240mm long L section, this way you fold the 100mm center section followed by the angle.
The equivalent in the NQLTRT Gresley is a single etch with a flat, front, face and three separate folds to make the angles... followed by soldering the join between horizontal and slope sections. I can make this angle iron truss quite easily and neatly... I have reservations about soldering the two parts of the sloping angles. I can post a photo of an un-folded etch if requried.


If somebody would like to post a shot of an easybuild u/f I can work out if it will fit then as well
What do you want Cyrnic? the floor? the truss parts? the assembled underframe?

regards, Graham
 

28ten

Guv'nor
The floor as i need my memory refreshing :) are there two longitudinal piece in the moulding?
I wouldnt mind seeing the etch ;) Its funny isnt it? I have not managed to fold any of the supplied trusses to my satisfaction - probably a combination of factors, including operator error :oops:
I suspect CME may be referring to Westdale
 

AJC

Western Thunderer
Windows with separate opening vents are due shortly from Shawplan. Brian is having trouble with his etchers at the moment hence the delay. Will post pics as soon as they're in my hands.

Cheers

Tom

Since the boss did suggest that other scales are welcome, my tuppence worth in 4mm would include the question: does Brian have any plans to to a version of these in 4mm? I don't need the opening vents, but the external frames would be useful - they're very obvious on plain coloured Mk 1s, and I model BR(S) - which had hundreds of the things in green and have a 4TC, or bits thereof, which will be plain blue which has been stalled awaiting these for years.

As an aside, trying to find out what Shawplan does, or does not, produce (never mind what he's intending) is all but impossible without emailing Brian personally or managing to catch him at an exhibition and of all the emails I should be sending to various people this one keeps falling off the list.

Adam
 

Phill Dyson

Western Thunderer
The other company - making an U/F Truss set - wasnt Westdale, it's the company who are doing the £100.00 brass MK1 kit (still cant remember or find their name:oops::rolleyes::) yet have a feeling that it's RAIL EXPRESS??!!:confused: ).
Could it be Model Express ?.... as they do brass MK1 kits at around £60 & they also do a brass MK1 underframe etch separately for other MK1's too at £15 (p79 Nov 2011 GOG Gazette):)
 

tomstaf

Western Thunderer
Since the boss did suggest that other scales are welcome, my tuppence worth in 4mm would include the question: does Brian have any plans to to a version of these in 4mm?
Adam

Hi Adam,

Yes is the answer. Brain drew them up in 4mm a few months ago but hasn't had them etched yet. As with lots of his stuff it's a case of keep asking him and then suddenly they spring up.

Cheers

Tom
 
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40126

Western Thunderer
Could it be Model Express ?.... as they do brass MK1 kits at around £60 & they also do a brass MK1 underframe etch separately for other MK1's too at £15 (p79 Nov 2011 GOG Gazette):)

Well if the CCT's anything to go by, i might ........:headbang: Then.....:rant:, & lastly i might :eek: Think about it !!!

Steve :cool:
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
The floor as i need my memory refreshing :) are there two longitudinal piece in the moulding?

Cynric, here are two photos of the EZ Mk.1 floor moulding.... one shows the area between the bogie centres and one shows the cross-section.

EZ-mk1-floor 1.jpg

EZ-mk1-floor 2.jpg
What else might you wish to know about the EZ moulding?

regards, Graham
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
I wouldnt mind seeing the (NQLTRT LNER Gresley) etch...

Your wish is etc..

jjltrt-lner-angle-truss.jpg

The angle-iron trusses are the long, thin, parts in the centre of the etch. A hold-and-fold makes an easy job of forming the three angle-iron sections, the horizontal "part" of the angle is then folded at the notch to form the angle between the centre section and each side section. The downward extension of the cross-girder etch covers the vertical joints in the front face of the angle-iron truss.

What else might you wish to know about building the angle trusses for the JLTRT kits?

regards, Graham
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
The first post for this thread...

I thought a central point of reference for both parts and information might be useful ...

... and I hope that Cynric will not mind that I extend "information" to include posts which seek information about the prototype.

We bought a number of kits at the Easybuild Autumn sale at Telford and the kits are to be built as examples of carriages running out of Glasgow circa 1986. Thanks to a suggestion from Richard Carr (... buy a copy of "Loco-hauled passenger stock" - Platform 5, 1986 edition) and for information from Robert Reid (... on the inside at St. Rollox) we have a short list of diagrams and corresponding running numbers for the kits. The selection of suitable examples of appropriate prototypes has enabled us to ensure that each kit has the correct bogie type... and we are aware of which coaches have dual brakes and which have dual heat... so some work needs to be done to establish what parts are required to convert a kit as bought into a more representative model of a late 1980s prototype.

The first question... of somewhat broad scope:- On the assumption that an EZ kit provides for a reasonable representation of a Mk.1 carriage in "as-built" condition circa 1955 (without window frames) or circa 1958 (with window frames), what changes might have been made to the external appearance of the body by circa 1985. For example:- What was BR-policy in respect to retro-fitting external window frames to carriages which were built without such frames? (or put another way, what is the likelihood that a carriage in 1985 would not have external window frames).

Similarly, the coach sides were re-inforced adjacent to vestibule doors.... was this done at time of build? during repair? would a coach have survived to the late 1980s without this re-inforcement? Indeed, when was this change introduced?

The second question... more specific:- On the assumption that an EZ kit provides all of the parts for a carriage with vacuum brake and steam heat equipment, what parts are needed to fit such a coach with air-brake fittings? and electric train heat fittings?

regards, Graham
 

28ten

Guv'nor
Just catching up after a lost weekend, I thought there was a whacking great extrusion down the centre :( that would make it incompatible with any truss parts designed for the JLTRT. However i will have some jltrt etched trusses spare that may well do the job for a few easybuild coaches when combined with some suitable angle. Im hoping to have a bogie etch for Reading.....
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
In an earlier post to this thread I included some photos of the Easybuild floor moulding, this post provides the dimensions of the cross-section of that floor moulding. In the following I have referred to the top part of the longitudinal trusses of the prototype as the "central girders" and the EZ moulding represents those items as a "T" section (hence reference to vertical and horizontal parts of the central girders).

* width between undeframe solebars = 52.5 mm;
* depth of inside face of solebars = 3.95 mm side 'A', 4.10 mm side 'B';
* distance between vertical faces of central girders = 13.9 mm taper to 14.1 mm;
* thickness of vertical section of central girders = 1.6 mm taper to 1.2 mm;
* width of horizontal part of central girders = 4.75 mm.
* thickness of horizontal part of central "girders = 1 mm.

The two central girders are "central" with respect to the underframe solebars with the distance between inside face of solebar and vertical section of girder at 17.6 mm - 17.7 mm. The vertical part of the central girders appears to be central to the horizontal section of the girders.

How does that compare with the space required for your Mk.1 truss etches?

... I will have some jltrt etched trusses spare that may well do the job for a few easybuild coaches when combined with some suitable angle.

Where will the additional angle be used in the trussing?

When will you be able to post a photo of the etches fitted to a floor moudling?

regards, Graham
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
On my odd kind of workbench thread I have written about the Mk.1 carriages which we are building... noting carriage type, running number, brake arrangement and heating arrangement for each of the five carriages in the rake. As the set is to run with a re-furbished Class 37, no. 37408, then all of the vehicles have ETH. As far as I am aware no manufacturer of Mk.1 kits supplies the full set of ETH fittings which are required... for example:-

* ETH cable and plug;
* ETH socket for plug when in use;
* ETH socket for plug when not in use;
* ETH fuse box;
* ETH heater contactor box.

I understand that MMP does offer the first three items in the list. Any other suppliers of ETH fittings?

At this point I have to admit to being a tad unsure as to what the ETH fuse box and contactor box look like... nor where they are on the underframe. Anyone any idea as to location? or even better a photo?

regards, Graham
 
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