Mk1 Resources And Parts

Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
So how does the underframe relate to those "open" carriages which are assymetric in respect to the seat / toilet / vestibule arrangement? *

* waits quietly for the best moment to offer an exception...
 
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Bob Reid

Bob Reid

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That's not an exception - it's a fraud. The dynamo's missing Graham! (why, I've no idea, but in all the Mk1 "brake" type vehicles that's where it was fitted when built and there were no modifications to move it anywhere else....

As far as the other passenger stock (and this is a generalisation as far as the most common of each type) on the TTO/TSO's i.e. those with two toilets at one end it was at that end, and on the FO's i.e. those with a toilet at either end, it was on the toilet compartment side....

p.s. BR did however supply two dog rings (at different heights for large and small dogs) a sawdust box for covering dog poo, and a few hooks for somewhere to hang your bike.....:)
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Bob-65B said:
That's not an exception - it's a fraud. The dynamo's missing....
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The site referenced in the original post has a fair number of photos of West Coast coaches, previously non-catering types, which have been modified to provide various forms of refreshment provision in the recent past. There is one photo of a SK which appears to break the rule outlined by Bob... and then the caption states that the SK has a TSO interior... :oops: :confused: :rolleyes: .

regards, Graham
 
Railwaymaniac

Railwaymaniac

Western Thunderer
Thanks for that, one and all - I now understand what I'm looking at . . . . :)

And now your chance to win a GOLD STAR! . . .

Mr Parkin's excellent book on MK1 coaches, and indeed the instructions from Easybuild, show an underframe layout that does NOT agree with pictures of brake corridor coaches . . .
It seems that on brake corridor coaches the battery on the corridor side of the coach has either been moved, or was always put in a different place, to allow space for a step below solebar level.

So the question is:- Was the corridor-side battery *always* placed under that large window on BSK/BCK coaches, or was it moved later to allow the fitting of the step?
And if it was always under the window, why does the Mk1 coach book not mention it?

Thanks once again

Ian
 
Bob Reid

Bob Reid

Western Thunderer
For the gangwayed passenger stock - i.e. not including the catering vehicles there were two basic layouts.

The first layout - i.e. the one that was applied to most vehicles, was that on both sides (the dynamo and the regulator sides, the battery box was (when viewed from the side) to the right of the centre line of the underframe. On the dynamo side, the nearest edge of the battery box (not the frame supporting it) was 2'-1 1/2" from the vehicle c.l. and on the opposite (the Regulator) side this dimension was 2'-3 1/2". Note this layout did not only apply to TSO's, FO's. CK's, SK's etc. but also to the BCK & BSO

The second layout- the one used to avoid the battery box being behind the lower stepboards, moved only the dynamo side battery box to the left of the underframe centre line. The the nearest edge of the battery box on that side only, being 10 3/4" to the left - and as before, when viewed from that side. This layout applied on the gangwayed passenger stock to the BSK & BFK

Why isn't it mentioned in Parkin? I've no idea - the sketches were not however done by the author. It wasn't as a result in a subsequent change or modification during construction, these postitions were laid down from the start, the earliest drawing I have dates from September 1949......

Bob.

p.s. Any lining up with bodylights is entirely co-incidental!
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Bob-65B said:
For the gangwayed passenger stock... there were two basic layouts.

The first layout - i.e. the one that was applied to most vehicles, ... Note this layout did not only apply to TSO's, FO's. CK's, SK's etc. but also to the BCK & BSO

The second layout- the one used to avoid the battery box being behind the lower stepboards ... This layout applied on the gangwayed passenger stock to the BSK & BFK...
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Let me recap to make sure I understand:-

The first layout applies to most stock, including TSO's, FO's. CK's, SK's, BCK and BSO ...

The second layout applies to BSK and BFK...

Which leaves a fair few types of carriages... BCK, CK, SK, opens... :confused: :confused: :confused: :oops:, pass the paracetemol please.

Such a simple question, such detail in the answers, glad someone asked and even more glad that Bob replied.

regards, Graham
 
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Bob Reid

Bob Reid

Western Thunderer
No definitely not my mistake Graham - read it again....:) (I don't see any exclusions bar catering vehicles)

Maybe I should have answered it;

Ignoring Catering vehicles & non-gangwayed stock, ALL gangwayed stock except the BSK & BFK have the first layout, The BSK & BFK have the second layout. Both as described!
 
Railwaymaniac

Railwaymaniac

Western Thunderer
Bob-65B said:
For the gangwayed passenger stock - i.e. not including the catering vehicles there were two basic layouts.

The first layout - i.e. the one that was applied to most vehicles, was that on both sides (the dynamo and the regulator sides, the battery box was (when viewed from the side) to the right of the centre line of the underframe. On the dynamo side, the nearest edge of the battery box (not the frame supporting it) was 2'-1 1/2" from the vehicle c.l. and on the opposite (the Regulator) side this dimension was 2'-3 1/2". Note this layout did not only apply to TSO's, FO's. CK's, SK's etc. but also to the BCK & BSO

The second layout- the one used to avoid the battery box being behind the lower stepboards, moved only the dynamo side battery box to the left of the underframe centre line. The the nearest edge of the battery box on that side only, being 10 3/4" to the left - and as before, when viewed from that side. This layout applied on the gangwayed passenger stock to the BSK & BFK

Why isn't it mentioned in Parkin? I've no idea - the sketches were not however done by the author. It wasn't as a result in a subsequent change or modification during construction, these postitions were laid down from the start, the earliest drawing I have dates from September 1949......

Bob.

p.s. Any lining up with bodylights is entirely co-incidental!
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Many thaks Bob - I can now proceed with confidence!
Ian

(and have to say - reading these fora (plural of 'forum'?) iz complete pain on a smartphone !!!
 
Bob Reid

Bob Reid

Western Thunderer
If Graham had a headache with the battery boxes he's going to have a migraine with that RMB and the others in the collection! :)
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Bob-65B said:
If Graham had a headache with the battery boxes he's going to have a migraine with that RMB and the others in the collection! :)
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I thank you for your kind consideration about the impending demise in my health... however such reports are premature.

regards, Mark Twain.
 
tomstaf

tomstaf

Western Thunderer
This brake wheel is fitted on a MK1. Dimensions are on the photo. Anyone know of where I can get one in 7mm please?
MK1 Handbrake wheel.jpg
Cheers

Tom
 
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