Re: Its a southern thing

[Phill Dyson]

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Further monopolisation warning ;D



I wouldn't anneal the roof either. In fact I only anneal as a very very last resort, usually just before scratch-building a replacement part ;D

Richard

My friend the BIG HAMMER is usually my last resort before scratch-building  ;D 

 

[Jordan]

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My friend the BIG HAMMER is usually my last resort before scratch-building  ;D 

 

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Hi Guys,

Well I don't know what all the fuss was about  ;D. my thanks goes to Ditriki and Cynric of this parish for advising me not to anneal the coach roof. I gave it my best shot and in my opinion the roof has turned out better than I thought it would. There are additional rain strips, roof vents and a lot more detail still to add before I start tidying up, and the buffers are just temporarily stuck on so Steph can see what they look like .
ATB,  Martyn.

 

[Steph Dale]

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Hi Guys,

...and the buffers are just temporarily stuck on so Steph can see what they look like .
ATB,  Martyn.

Which, I seem to remember, was one of my original concerns.  The ones supplied by CRT seem to owe more to the GWR.  If you're fussed, the ones you need are Slater's 71560 (oval head) or something LMS-ish (Sidelines?) if you want round heads.  What gangway is supplied?  It should be a scissors type with a Pullman adapter.  I've got some to make up using CPL etches and home-brewed adapters as ideally I need them to work with both Pullman (Slater's) and BS (CPL) gangways.

And the roof has come out very well, I still wonder if I wouldn't prefer plastic though.  Oh and it's worth looking at Rob Pulham's use of blackout material as 'canvas', it would add useful texture and thickness to the roof of your model.

How do the bogies go together?  How much detail do they have?  Brakes? Compensation?

Well, that seems to be my 2-pennyworth spent.  I'm enthusiastic about getting a couple of these!

Steph

 

[28ten]

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That looks like a success  Personally I would take a metal roof over plastic anyday 

 

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What gangway is supplied? 



How do the bogies go together?  How much detail do they have?  Brakes? Compensation?



Steph

Hi Steph,

Thanks for the info regarding the buffers, another item for the Telford list  :scratch:, it's funny that you mention the gangway and the bogies they were going to be my next question to you. The gangways are from CRT and lack any real detail, very basic just like a pair of black bellows !! So what can you recommend as a suitable replacement ? And the bogies are by Roxey's and have no brake detail or means of compensation, other than a sort of rocking system by means of no more than a couple of short lengths of .7mm wire soldered to the top of the bogies  :scratch:. So again being a first time coach builder, can you recommend any brake detailing kits ? I have used a paper towel as a roofing material before with some success, but I would like to see what Rob's method is like did he do a topic on this ? This is a photo of my van BY with tissue roof covering.

ATB,  Martyn.

 

[Steph Dale]

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Martyn,

Rob posted a pic in the thread I started on loco weathersheets http://www.westernthunder.co.uk/http://localhost/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=0 and having had a play with the material it would seem pretty handy.  If you have a look at a good end view of a real GBL you'll see that the wire in groove 'gutter' you added, isn't actually a gutter - it marks the edge of the thicker central section of the roof.  I was thinking on from your success with the provided roof and suspect I'd now use the brass one, with a single layer of blackout material doubled up over the centre section of the roof.

For the bogies; Newbold models LNER style Fox bogies are correct other than the axleboxes.  An alternative might be to go for the CPL sprung bogie etches which would provide you with springing and a representation of the brakes and would use the cosmetic parts you already have for the sideframes.  There's also the Cavalier (ABS) versions - the 'super detailed' variant includes brakes.  For the gangway I suspect you've got the same trouble I have; start with a scissors gangway and add the Pullman adapters...

In terms of brake (and other coach) details you'll find that there are a variety of parts available from CPL, there's also a handy fret included in the Slater's Maunsell coach kits which includes levers, slack adjusters and V hangers.  I'll see if I can dig out a part number this evening.

Steph

 

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Hi Steph,

Thanks for all the info it is a great help, loco kits,wagon kits, and track building no problem. But I see you still need to ask which are the better examples when it comes to coach kits. I would rather pay a bit more from the start, rather than have to hunt down various suppliers to finish the model to a certain standard. One item on my "buy list" for Telford is a GWR  B set, could you recommend any particular supplier for these coaches  :scratch:.

ATB,  Martyn.

 

[28ten]

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CPL do a very good etch for a dia 140 B set, but you need to pre order and you won't get it for Telford. I built one a while back and there is also an article in an old Railway modeller (I may have a copy somewhere)

 

[Steph Dale]

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Martyn,

Sorry, I got my CPL and CRT crossed up in my previous post.  The sprung bogie etches I was referring to are made by CPL.  Norman Warburton has assessed them here http://www.raymondwalley.com/reviews/other/cpl_bogies.html.  Although the CPL B-set is likely to be good (Carl Legg was a bit of a coach 'nut') it probably hasn't got instructions and you'd still have to source castings, roof, etc.

Here's a review from the same 'site of a CPL coach kit - it includes a set of the gangways I was referring to: http://www.raymondwalley.com/reviews/carriage/gwr_e77_dreadnought.html

Haywood stuff might be worth a look, as might Hurn and Orion...

Steph

 

[28ten]

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Who reads instructions?  I'd much rather buy etches and source the rest, at least you aren't chucking stuff away and you get exactly what you want 

 

[Steph Dale]

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Who reads instructions?  I'd much rather buy etches and source the rest, at least you aren't chucking stuff away and you get exactly what you want 

Yeah, yeah - now I think you're disagreeing with me just on principle... 

Anyhoo - for Martyn's benefit a shot of the Slater's etch I was talking about.  I seem to remember that when ordering you have to make absolutely certain that Daphne knows you're after the etch - otherwise you end up with a set of coach sides (they have the same part number - unusual mistake for Slater's!):

 

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Hi Guys,

Thanks once again Steph, I will buy the other parts at Telford to bring the luggage van up to my standards  :, but will probably look elsewhere for future coaching stock.
Gosh reading that thread by Raymond Walley about the coach build was like reading War and peace  , I mean do not get me wrong it turned into a very nice model, but I do not think I could find the time what with work,family, etc. So maybe the JLTRT coaches may fit the bill  :scratch:, has anyone had dealings with these ? It's just finding a reasonable time scale in which to turnout  fairly decent coaching stock.

ATB,  Martyn.

 

[28ten]

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I have found the articles thay are very comprehensive and there is a complete list of parts that you need. Personally I would go with the CPL etched option, but then I am an old fart and I prefer soldering to superglue

 

[Steph Dale]

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Martyn,

I'll catch up with you at Telford, but I should mention that the fret is a special order item.  Easy enough to get hold of, but they won't have them at the show. I just had a look on the Tower Models website http://www.tower-models.com/ for the Haywood coaches (which are there) and also noticed that they're still listing r-t-r Chinese brass B-set coaches...

Steph

 

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but then I am an old fart and I prefer soldering to superglue

I also prefer solder but I see myself as a slight wiff rather than a fully grown old fart  ;D , my main problem as always is the time factor hence why I wondered if jltrt might be the way to go. Like you say Steph, I will catch up with you at Telford and discuss all the options as we drool all over the goodies  .

Martyn.