Rescuing a Martin Finney Princess Coronation

Scanlon

Western Thunderer
46240 is slowly being reassembled or so I thought! As the smokebox had become loose during the paint stripping stage the fine handrails did not survive and have had to be cut off. The join between boiler and smokebox required careful cleaning up to ensure the resin castings were not to be reduced in overall length. I used the flat side of a scalpel to remove 90% of the remaining paper washer together with whatever glue had been used. This was followed up with a light wire brushing using a brass wheel. The assembly was then re-glued together and stood upright for two hours to let everything set.

The cab was screwed onto the firebox and then the entire assembly was offered up to the frames. Minor filing was required at the front to get the smokebox to fit snugly on the running plate. A trial run with a deflector was made and revealed a gap between the slight drop section of the deflector and the leading edge of the running plate. Short filler pieces of nickel silver to "bridge" the gap have been made up. Replacing the fittings which had fallen off during cleaning and building the utility front end including deflectors has taken a good 8 hours. A few of the very delicate lubrication pipes had come adrift and these too were attended to.
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Work on the body is now almost finished with the AWS, speedo, a pair of handrails and the vacuum and steam heat pipes to refit.
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Attention has turned to the frames. The major alteration was to replace the cylinder wrappers for the post war style. Some of the pipework has come adrift and in places was not properly located under/within the running plate. Also one coupling rod needed some attention. I knew this was going to open a can of worms but when, during removing the cylinders the front framing dropped off, I had that light bulb moment this would be a long job. After an hour I was down to this
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Unfortunately the previous builder had soldered the cylinder wrappers to the frames so it was only after they had been removed would the main cylinder etch move. A further problem was the front of the frames had been pinned to the motion bracket assembly and it took some time to work out what had been done and how to extract the pins. As both the upper slidebars had been mounted incorrectly they were also removed. All work I had not been expecting.

During discussions with Richard I had expressed concern at the frail mounting of the utility front end under the smokebox. Just two fillets of solder, very vulnerable and liable to fracture.
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It was decided to mount the entire structure on the front of the frames once they were reassembled, this was the new parts list.
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Now the frames look like this
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The front frames have been completely stripped down and rebuilt. The utility front end was installed and squared up following which the whole assembly was then pinned to the main frames in accordance with the build procedure and once finally in place soldered up. Given the opportunity both coupling rods were re-fettled and the cylinders have received the new post war outer wrappers. At present the motion bracket assembly has not been put into the frames as more work is necessary to make it drop into their locating slots.
 

Ressaldar

Western Thunderer
Roger,

this has turned into more than a labour of love for you, hopefully, not too far to go now and you will have another loco to be more than proud of.

kind regards

Mike
 

Scanlon

Western Thunderer
Mike,
You are right, what looked like a few hours work is turning into days worth of work. This evening I finally got the motion bracket assembly back into the frames so the big bits are almost home again. Tomorrow it will be slidebars and rods, then disassemble and spray the front end. It might be back to looking like a loco next week.
Cheers
Roger
 

Scanlon

Western Thunderer
I forgot to mention that fitting the front bufferbeam etc. to the frames has overcome much of the gap I referred to in a previous posting, page 3. Pieces of scrap etch were made up and soldered behind the mainframes. The slight gap that remained has been filled with solder and cleaned up but will need just a little more filling.

Both the cylinders and motion bracket have very tight slots in the frames to keep everything in place plus 4 bolts each. I decided to ease the slots slightly to allow the assemblies to "drop" into their respective places, the bolts will keep them finally in place. With this achieved pipework and various other detailing parts have been fitted. I did not expect the left hand firebox side to fall off but this was quickly soldered back in place. The fireman's side did not require any additional work. Everything was then thoroughly washed down and the rebuilt area sprayed with black etch primer followed by a coat of satin black.

I viewed reassembly of the frames and all the accoutrements with some trepidation but I need not have worried. Almost every part went back in place with little or no problem. The one exception was the right hand slidebar set which required considerable work to get the crosshead to glide smoothly. Getting the "inside" valve rockers back in place was straightforward but refitting the tiny pads each side of it has lead to many basic Anglo Saxon words being uttered. They remain to be fitted once I've calmed down.
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The rebuilt loco has been tested on my test track, all 6ft of it and all appears well, but more testing is required to ensure everything is OK with the reworked frames. Hopefully there will be very little to do and then the remaining detailing can be fitted to the body.
 

Scanlon

Western Thunderer
Testing went well, just minor adjustments had to be made to the bogie. AWS and speedometer have been fitted but there is still work to do on the cab roof and backhead. The former had been fashioned as a slow arc where it should have an arc only at the centre including ventilators, the remaining roof being straight on each side. This is work in progress but slowly I'm teasing out the unwanted curve.
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The locomotive is now almost ready for a heavy clean before going away for painting.
 

Scanlon

Western Thunderer
The tale about rescuing a Martin Finney Princess Coronation has of course turned into a tale of two engines both with their own problems. City of Coventry proved to be the easier model to rebuild from a pure Duchess into a de-streamlined machine and this photo which has been seen before shows the loco ex works courtesy of Ian Rathbone
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Duchess of Abercorn became a nightmare to rebuild. I had tried to repair the frames and get them to run but I suspect they had been dropped at some time by the previous owner. Unfortunately despite my efforts the problems with them were beyond me and Dikitriki offered to take them off my hands and undertake their rebuilding. Suffice to say I am greatly indebted to him because now Abercorn looks like this, the paintwork is all Warren Heywoods work
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I should point out the frames and bogie require repainting also the reversing rods needs slight realignment both of which will only be undertaken following running trials. Here are some shots of the pair together, enjoy - I am!!!
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and almost head on
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finally
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Silverystreaks

Western Thunderer
Well Roger despite the previous heartache you have ended up with two wonderful looking models

If mine turns out to be anywhere near as good as yours I will be very happy

Still cant decide what livery mine will end up in, I only have one choice for Red but a few for green

Believe me, seeing yours does not make my decision any easier

Bob
 

Scanlon

Western Thunderer
Hi Bob,
Thank you for your post but really I can only accept some of the credit for Abercorn, the rest must go to Dikitriki.
You have roused my curiosity, what is the one red loco your model might eventually be?
Roger
 

Silverystreaks

Western Thunderer
Roger
My own Duchess build has the curved front running plate so could only be 46251 in red. Also as the tender was built with the extended side sheets and rear ladder I have just a couple of Green examples to choose from.

I've completed other locos during my prolonged Duchess build through which I have seen numerous decisions regarding identity come and go. Then I see someone else's Green or Red example.... such as your own and it starts all over again.

I'm torn between two, 46230 Duchess of Buccleuch or 46251 City of Nottingham

There is no question that the Finney example builds into the most impressive 7mm Duchess so I m somewhat envious that you have two great examples and in case you were wondering. No I'm not considering another Duchess when this one finally is completed

Regards
Bob
 

P A D

Western Thunderer
Hi Bob,
Certainly Roger and Richard have dragged these two abused Finney Duchesses back from the grave. It just goes to show that a top quality kit does not guarantee a top quality model, and the end result is more dependent on the skills of the builder (in this instance the re-builders) than the set of parts he is working with.

Is your Duchess also from a Finney kit?

My own model pictured below is from the Gladiator kit. In the main it goes together well and apart from issues with the resin firebox everything fits as it should. I purchased it at the Doncaster show last year from David Hill who's stand was quite close to the Finney 7 one. I had a chat with Richard Lambert and at the time my opinion was that I could not justify (to myself) the extra outlay in pound notes to purchase the Finney kit. I am very happy with the result that I have achieved and thoroughly enjoyed building the kit. I would highly recommend it to anybody who's budget does not extend to the Finney 7 one.

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Having said all that, I was lucky enough to pick up a Martin Finney A3 plus all wheels on ebay at a very good price, and my build is featured in Area 51. In a conversation about it with Richard he suggested that it "would spoil me as I would assess all future builds against it". Well I have to say that he was correct and my opinion has changed. The level of fidelity and fit of the parts on the A3 is superb, and I can see me wanting a Finney 7 Duchess (and an A4, V2,W1 and large Prairie) in the future!
Cheers,
Peter
 

warren haywood

Western Thunderer
Roger
My own Duchess build has the curved front running plate so could only be 46251 in red. Also as the tender was built with the extended side sheets and rear ladder I have just a couple of Green examples to choose from.

I've completed other locos during my prolonged Duchess build through which I have seen numerous decisions regarding identity come and go. Then I see someone else's Green or Red example.... such as your own and it starts all over again.

I'm torn between two, 46230 Duchess of Buccleuch or 46251 City of Nottingham

There is no question that the Finney example builds into the most impressive 7mm Duchess so I m somewhat envious that you have two great examples and in case you were wondering. No I'm not considering another Duchess when this one finally is completed

Regards
Bob
Ooooh gotta be a green Buccleuch, every body does em red:D;)
 

Silverystreaks

Western Thunderer
Thank you Peter , Warren and Rob.

I'm a BR livery aficionado so its BR Green or Red for my Finney Duchess which is still in works. One of the highlights of the 80s was seeing 46229 out on the mainline, hence my leaning towards Red. Having said that my first introduction to model railways was a HD BR green Duchess of Montrose and accompanying coaches.

When I first started my Finney Duchess a couple of years back I began with the tender and because I was leaning towards 46251 I built it as an ex streamline type. I should add that modelling tends to tail off as the days get longer as I have another interest Railway photography, by the time I get back into modelling I don't always restart where I left off and probably why a Finney V2 and A3 were completed while the Duchess remained in the cupboard. Progress through 2017 was much improved and its had a couple of running sessions on the Club layout where a number of issues became apparent that had not shown up on the home test track. Also during a somewhat prolonged construction period a few small castings had gone walk about and thanks to Richard these have been sourced.. I have to admit though that “I chickened out” of fitting the inside valve gear.

Once I'm happy with the running and a decision is finally made be it 46230 or 46251 I will strip the chassis down and paint that myself while the rest will go to my good friend Paul Moore to work more of his magic.

Bob
 
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