Restriction on Layout Length

Discussion in 'Discussion' started by cbrailways, 11 August 2017.

  1. Simon

    Simon Flying Squad

    Ah Mr Seal
    you are a poet,
    a dreamer,
    of beautiful dreams

    I have but one word to say in response - Ashburton:p

    Seriously, as we discussed yesterday at Railwells, I think this is a very interesting idea which is very much in the "cameo spirit" and please do develop it as we discussed.

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  2. Simon

    Simon Flying Squad

    Hi Geoff

    I have negotiated an exception to the 2 metre rule from Herr Rice for your entry as it is

    a.) only a teeny bit bigger
    b.) Gauge 3, which is a humungous scale (twice O gauge and a bit more).

  3. Simon

    Simon Flying Squad

    Sounds like an excellent plan, and organised from the Antipodes too - roll on my beauty!

  4. daifly

    daifly Western Thunderer

    Humungous, yes. Twice O-gauge - almost but a bit less!
  5. geoff_nicholls

    geoff_nicholls Western Thunderer

    thanks, Simon, I only hope my efforts are worthy of the inclusion.
    Daifly is correct 1.93 times the size of O gauge. But you do get used to it. I couldn't work with 4mm now, never mind 2mm.
  6. Stumpytrain

    Stumpytrain Active Member

    Phew, when you said you had a word beginning with 'A' for me, but you'd save it for Western Thunder I did wonder what it was going to be!

    Yes, ahem, Ashburton. :oops: In my defence it's still the main 7mm project I'm working on. Since starting it (in my mind) I've relocated to a house with garage long enough for the entire scenic section with no compromises, but the fiddle yard would have to dap out onto the drive for fairweather operating sessions. Most of my efforts have been asserted on building 1470 (in my mind) and despite SimonT's encouragement to build it as god /David Parkin intended, I can't help but aspire to an honest ScaleSeven build. So, with the 'when is a Cameo not a Cameo' project in mind, I dusted off my MRJs and I've now got all the bits and pieces to hone my piercing saw skills before attacking the MOK kit by scratch building Wantage Tramway No.5 'Jane' and modifying the Slaters Manning Wardle F as No.7 'Mary'. Perhaps Western Thunder will indulge my current enthusiasm with another thread?! :p

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  7. adrian

    adrian Flying Squad

    If you are having a go and making something then please pile in with as many threads as necessary.
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  8. Easterner

    Easterner Active Member

    Having had a few days away, I am very disappointed to come back and read what has been said here/in the most recent MRJ as this means Easton Mills will be outside of the new sizing rules.

    Easton Mills was started as a competition entry, and was not a foresight before. After reading the book a couple of times over, Iain refers to other cameo layouts, some of which are much longer than 8ft so I am left some what frustrated after the time and costs I have already outlaid on Easton Mills.

    Now I have started, I still plan to continue, but I probably would have focused on a larger local group layout and not built Easton Mills to the tight constraints I have to make it what I thought was a plausible entrant for the competition.

    As said, I am very disappointed with these restrictions and have shared these thoughts in a separate email to Simon/Iain, and can only hope there is a bit of a rethink for those that have already took the time and expense to build a layout specifically to enter into the competition.
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  9. Alan

    Alan Western Thunderer

    Whilst my effort will be in the new length restrictions I do feel it is unfair on those who entered under the original "rules" and have already spent money that as Josh suggests could have been spent on other projects. It's rather like entering a 100 metres race and after the start the organisers moving the finish to the 80 metre mark.
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  10. Alan

    Alan Western Thunderer

    Interestingly having looked at Josh's (Eastener) layout I notice that its total length is the same as the total length my effort i.e. 8ft. My scenic bit is 5ft + 3ft fiddleyard and Josh's is 8 ft including fiddleyard. I'm puzzled???!!??.
  11. Simon

    Simon Flying Squad

    Hi Josh

    Given that Iain quotes "Longwood Edge" at 2.1 metres long and that "Easton Mills" contains its fiddleyard within it's length, I think upon further reflection that it is only fair to make an exception to the 2 metre rule for your entry and so Easton Mills is definitely "in".

    Apologies for the apparent confusion, but both Iain and I are concerned to keep entries physically manageable and within the spirit of the book and original concept.

    In this context and for the record, when Iain talks about "Frecclesham" within the book, he says of it:

    This just might be the largest cameo I've met so far but then goes on to say Whether you could ever describe Frecclesham as such is a moot point

    Best Wishes

  12. adrian

    adrian Flying Squad

    The finalists were judged at Railex and 1st was Newton Heath Works, 2nd was Midland in Bristol.

    Newton Heath Works was featured recently in MRJ 275.

    Not much online presence unfortunately but there are a couple of photos here.
    Warminster Exhibition June 8 2019
  13. Simon

    Simon Flying Squad

    You don't "need to be an MRJ reader", RMweb had the results and I am sure I announced it on here somewhere:confused:

    Events have somewhat overtaken us all since, and you certainly don't need MRJ to work that out.

    Adrian, in the light of the current situation please feel free to re-label, remove, edit or vapourise the Cameo Competition section as you see fit.

  14. Gilbert

    Gilbert Active Member

    Some of the cameo layouts - including #1 and #2 - are featured but not captioned in my Flickr album...
    Railex 2019
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  15. cbrailways

    cbrailways Western Thunderer

    Thank you for that.
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  16. NHY 581

    NHY 581 Western Thunderer

    Would it be practical to open the Cameo section up as a stand alone topic for such layouts, irrespective of their entry into the competition or not ?

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  17. Marc Dobson

    Marc Dobson Western Thunderer

    I would like that for one. I withdrew my layout from the competition but I have since reused the base boards for the next project. And I have another cameo layout In the pipeline.
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  18. Simon

    Simon Flying Squad

    I think that is a really good idea Rob - I might even build one.....
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  19. NHY 581

    NHY 581 Western Thunderer

    Standing by.........
  20. adrian

    adrian Flying Squad

    Certainly - I'll see what I can do. The competition certainly inspired a lot of new projects and it would be good, as you say, to provide a platform for them irrespective of whether they decided to submit a formal entry or not.
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