7mm Rob P's Coaching Stock Workbench - Kirk Twin Set Diag 105/125

Rob Pulham

Western Thunderer
Rob -

The planking on the Thompson matchboard kit is way over scale [trench line stuff] - the lines are like the interior planking in the passenger kits. When I build mine I shall probably etch direct replacement sides in the way that Dan Randall has done for some of the u/f components for his Hurn Models Hawksworth kit.

I suspect that you might also need to be very careful when forming the sides for the steel panelled full brake kit as there are relief-etched rectangles on the rear of the lower area of the sides which will show through the minute the side comes under any stress. It would have been better with closely spaced etched lines to help with the forming. I'm also thinking that with a good few of these to build it might be worth me casting a resin curved roof end section.

The best kits in the Kemilway range IMHO are CB8 - the Dia 129 N.E.R Full Brake 52' and CB9 the Dia 50 L.N.E.R Non Corr. Lav. Compo 52'.

All this is not to say that the rest of the kits are not excellent in most ways as well! It is the bogies that are the real plus with these kits. Really quite something.

DJP


Thanks for the insights David, they are much appreciated.

Regarding cast resin roof ends, I am not sure whether Peter Dobson (Newbould Models) supplies these separately from his kits but if he would it might save you a job.

These are from his LNER D167 Buffet kit - another in the stash. It comes without instructions so I hope to build this after the Kemilway's while coaches and what bit goes where is still fresh in my mind.

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7mmMick

Western Thunderer
Hi Mick, which of the parcels stock do you have? I quite fancy the Thompson matchboard and the Gresley steel panelled ones myself. I built a couple of the 4mm Thompsons, one from a Comet kit and one from an Ian Kirk - I much preferred the Comet...

Hi Rob,

The kits I have in stock are the Dia 129 N.E.R Full Brake 52' and the Dia 111/154/282 L.N.E.R Full Brake 52'. Both will by finished in early 50's condition and I've not ruled out finished one as well weathered teak. They may well be on the build list for spring,

ATB Mick
 

Rob Pulham

Western Thunderer
Things are coming together nicely but up to yesterday there wasn't much to show.

First I folded down the inside section of the top half on the sides and soldered it in place to and bottom.

Then I drilled out all the holes for the door handles, bump stops etc.

Next was the task that many dread, creating the tumble home or turn under. My method for doing this makes it quite simple (or I think so).

I get a strip of 2" masking tape a bit longer than the coach side and stick it to the outside of the coach, level with the bottom of the windows. I have a length of 28mm diameter tube that is about 18" long (a left over from fitting a curtain rail).

I placed the coach side outside face down on the sheet of plate glass that covers most of my work bench top with the remainder of the sticky side of the masking tape facing upwards.

Next I placed the tube on the sticky tape adjacent to the bottom edge of the coach side. I wrapped the rest of the tape around the tube.

Then grasp the tube at each end where there was no tape I rolled the tube towards the centre of the coach gently but firmly. The masking tape pulls the coach edge around the tube and the tumblehome is formed.

On the first side I went a little too far and had to bring some of the curve back out by laying the back of the side on the glass and gently pressing along it. The second side came out perfectly first time. If there is interest in the method I will do a step by step as I do the next one.

Next I soldered in the bump stops. These are not provided in the kit - the instructions suggest that you solder in 0.45mm wire. These are I believe from Laurie Griffin but I got them in with a lot of other spares and I think that I have enough to do another couple of coaches after this one. I have made them from scrap etch and rod before but to be honest having seen how nice these are I will buy some more in the future when I need them.

The T handles are very nicely cast and are included in the kit. There are also some nicely etched grab handles that I was a bit dubious about initially - initially went to the trouble of soldering a piece of 0.5mm wire to the back of one to beef it up but it was the very devil to bend. So I went back to trying the etch as supplied and they are more substantial than I first guessed. What I do like about this kit is that there are loads of spares of a lot of the pieces. So far I have spare T handles/grab handles/hinges and drop lights.

The hinges are a really nice touch, they come as three fingers that go through the coach side which once you have soldered them solid there is a half etched line which allows them to be snapped off leaving behind differing hinges for the various points on the coach side - some care is needed to get them all the right way up before soldering them in. The etched slits for these needed opening out a little with a .5mm drill.

Once all these were in place you need to snip off the ends that protrude inside and clean/file back so that the drop lights can be fitted. I did this with a diamond coated ball bit in my Dremell.

Next up is fitting the drop lights and then the cornice strip. The cornice strips are handed so once again double check to make that you have the right one with the rain strips above the doors.

Once all this was done I gave everything a good clean up and made sure that all the stubs on the inside face were ground/filed off (I had missed a few earlier).

I had decided that on this coach I would represent the end windows as having been filled in with a solid panel – blanks are provided for this so I bent them to shape and soldered them in before starting to add the sides

Then came soldering the first side on, I started with the compartment side – this being the one that the tumble home had gone perfectly. I initially sat the floor pan on my sheet of glass and placed the side up to it. When I was satisfied that it was all sat level, I tacked the top of the bulkheads leaving the ends free. Once I was happy that it was all going into position where it should I tacked the bottoms of the bulkheads, then I worked my way down the sides of the bulkheads and across the bottom seams finally ding the ends last.

Here are a few shots of what it looks like at this point.

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I couldn’t resist a glimpse through the window….
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A couple of shots of the drop lights and the “chrome” handrail – this wasn’t supplied I just reasoned that nickel would represent the handrail better and I have just restocked various sizes.
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7mmMick

Western Thunderer
Lovely work there Rob. The bump stops are very nice indeed and I for one would like to see your method in forming the tumble home if you don't mind documenting next time? Do you know the reference number on the LG catalogue for the bump stops as I will need some for my builds please. Really enjoying the build, very neat work indeed,

ATB Mick
 

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
Rob, Mick,
I think the bump stops (aka 'door bangers') are a nice touch, but somewhat over scale. I tend to use the CPL etched ones on my builds, which are lovely (£2.25 for 64). If necessary they can be made a little more three-dimensional by pinning through with 0.7mm wire.
In reality the little beggars are quite a subtle detail.
Enjoying watching the build Rob, I always like to see a good kit being put together well.
Steph
 

Rob Pulham

Western Thunderer
Lovely work there Rob. The bump stops are very nice indeed and I for one would like to see your method in forming the tumble home if you don't mind documenting next time? Do you know the reference number on the LG catalogue for the bump stops as I will need some for my builds please. Really enjoying the build, very neat work indeed,

ATB Mick


Hi Mick,

LG Ref no's look like either

36-17 General Multiple use Door buffers (25) £6.00 or
36-44 General Multiple use Door buffers (25) £6.00

I will take photos for you of the tumblehome method - I tried the same method without much success on the roof but more of that later:(
 

Rob Pulham

Western Thunderer
The next items on the agenda are the interiors. This coach is a little different in that there is a unit that makes up into twin first class compartments, a second unit that makes up into a twin open third bay and a third unit that makes up into a two and half third bay. The generic instructions cover the make-up of the compartments but not the semi open bays so I had to do a bit of head scratching to see what was what and where it went.

This is another area where you get a few spares this time in the form of open partitions without luggage racks. I elected to use those with luggage racks and once I had worked out which went where I had to think about the fact that luggage racks are etched flat so they needed to be twisted into position. I almost did one of them wrong in the single seat bay – I was planning on bending them over the wood panelled area but then I remembered Chris saying that Peter Dawson had told her that the luggage racks screwed on after painting. As I was thinking about it I noticed that at the out end of the full height partitions there are two holes – light bulb moment, to screw the luggage racks to. Once I realised this it was easy to work out which partition went where and which way to twist the low luggage racks to orientate them.


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I also found an etch containing some small latches for the sliding doors to the compartments so I added them.

The rest of the luggage racks and the nets for these are to follow with the rest of the bits that are missing.
 

Rob Pulham

Western Thunderer
What a few of you have been waiting for - The Roof.

I made up the formers exactly as per the instructions and rolled the roof – half etched side inwards. This I really struggled with and contrary to the instruction I had to solder the roof formers to the roof in order to stop coming out of the locating holes while trying to fit some etched wedges. The idea if you can make it work is quite ingenious and I suspect that I didn't get the roof rolled tight enough and I hope to do better on the next one.

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Then last night completely contrary to the instructions (they suggest liquid metal or body filler) I filled the end with 100 degree solder. On the second end I also dropped in some .45mm wire to fill a couple of the wider gaps. This was quite successful when I rubbed it down so I will probably do a lot more of that when I do the next one.

I didn't take any photos before I started to rub it down but here are a few as at bedtime last night. Both ends still need more work but I think that on one end at least it will be a bit of Squadron putty to finish it off. I will decide on the other once I have rubbed it down some more

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dibateg

Western Thunderer
Those ends look tricky - but you are getting there Rob. Each time I look at this thread my wallet starts sweating! I'm enjoying the thread.

Regards

Tony
 

Rob Pulham

Western Thunderer
To be honest the ends weren't that bad once you have the thing formed up. I will spend a lot more time on the forming of the sides of the roof before trying to add the formers on the next one.

I do love building coaches so much so that I possibly won't buy many more loco's until I have reduced the kit drawers somewhat and ask Chris and and son to buy me coaches for birthdays etc. next year - I say next year because I know that I have an N2 coming at Christmas.

Go on you know you want to Tony.:thumbs:
 

7mmMick

Western Thunderer
Great work Rob, like Tony I'm looking forward to starting one of these kits. Any chance of a pictorial account of the roof forming on the next one as well please mate?

Cheers Mick
 

Rob Pulham

Western Thunderer
I don't feel to have made much progress in the last few days but I have done a bit.

Firstly I discovered a gaff! - I had soldered the cornice onto the coach side not the cornice spacer

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The offending cornice marked in red

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It should have been a plain strip....

Before I plucked up the courage to take the cornice off I spent an hour or so making this.

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What on earth is that I can hear you muttering.. well it's a jig to do this

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You just place it on the coach end and run solder along the underside edge and all the roof fingers solder down without having to worry about any springing off. The blackening stops the jig from being soldered to the roof. I made it from the scrap etch that the formers came out of. It's only good for the Great Northern roof profile coaches but when I get some of the LNER coaches I will make another. When I get to the next roof I will take photos to demonstrate it in action.
 

Rob Pulham

Western Thunderer
Despite me being quiet on this thread all is progressing nicely. Up to the weekend I had taken the D114 as far as I can go without the missing bit's and made a start on the D176 Brake Compo.

I haven't posted updates because my laptop died...... I have a replacement on order but until I do and recover the data from my old disk I will be doing minimal posting as I am limited in uploading photos.

last Friday Chris had a call from Peter Dawson to say that most of the missing parts had arrived and that he would send them on this week. They duly arrived on Tuesday so now I have the bogies and missing underframe etc. I still need the roof fixing bolts and a few other small items but I have most things needed to complete the two coaches.

I was astonished to find that the delivery also contained a further four coach kits. I now understand why Chris was so upset at their non-arrival.

They consist of
A 61'6" Dia 218F G.N.R Brake Compo
A 61'6"Dia 218A G.N.R Brake Compo
A 61'6"Dia 249B/277B G.N.R All 3rd
A 52' Dia 248D G.N.R All 3rd

Because I had no idea about them I feel like I have had a second birthday.:drool:
 

7mmMick

Western Thunderer
Fantastic news Rob :thumbs:

I wish I had pressies like that :)) Looking forward to seeing the pictures when your IT is back up and running,

ATB Mick
 
N

notascoobie

Guest
Crikey, I wish my wife could afford pressies like that. Mind you you're going to need loads more carriages to incorporate those BCKs. That Steve Banks/Clive Carter book is a swine isn't it?

:)

Regards,

Vernon
 

Rob Pulham

Western Thunderer
While I haven't posted much with my laptop dying I have made further progress.

I have taken the D114 as far as I wanted to without the other bits from Kemilway.

Here's where I got to. I also started the second coach and I have the floor pan folded up and the sides ready for the tumble home forming - I haven't taken pictures because it's more of the same.

The roof is just resting on at the moment because it's the long roof bolts that I am still waiting for.
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I soldered some tabs on the back of the gangway board so that it's removable if I want to have the coach in the middle of a rake.

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