Scale7 JB Workbench.

[Scale7JB]

Thanks Tim!

I could quite fancy one of the P1 tender versions, but there isn't much time for scratch building these days..

JB B

 

[martin1]

Martin, that's brilliant! Thanks!

Would it be possible to send the hires to my personal email address? Any file size will be fine.

JB.

Yes will do,if you let me have address

martin

 

[Rob Pulham]

Hi JB,

I am not sure how this would compare to getting a copy from the NRM - Vintage NER North Eastern Railway Diagram Arrangement of Self Trimming Tender | eBay Assuming that the NRM has one of course.

 

[Scale7JB]

Brilliant Rob, might have done a few screenshots!!

Well with the help I've. Had here a little detailing has started. Also got the beading on. Curved beading is never going to be fun, but these went on quite well after a very Heath Robinson method of bending them to match the main sides. Still a little cleaning up and filling to do of course.

I had a very quick look at some of the valve gear etches earlier....



JB.

 

[Scale7JB]

Twins looking nice... Bit of beautifying on the rods and pretty much done bar the weathering.



JB.

 

[Scale7JB]

Bit more work this evening.

Can't believe my luck but I found 3 sets of 3'9" tender wheels in a drawer that I ordered by mistake a while back. A quick email has gone off to Slaters to cancel the order placed last night. Amusingly this allowed Freddie to do some running in of the tender with his Connoisseur starter kit tank engine!



Thankfully I checked the picture of Earlham Hall before I cracked on. This let to the first bit of scratching on this build.



I was also glad to see the mother of all air receiver tanks on the back of the tender which I think is quite a nice characteristic of the NE tender.

Unfortunately there isn't enough meat on the dummy frames for the Slaters insulated horn guides for the split axles, so I'll need to cut some new ones.

A fair amount of Cleaning up required from tonights session.

JB.

 

[adrian]

Thankfully I checked the picture of Earlham Hall before I cracked on. This let to the first bit of scratching on this build.

Rule No. 1 - always have a photo to work from! I don't know the class in detail but is that a common arrangement on the tender or specific to that loco?

 

[Scale7JB]

Well there were only 10 engines in the class, and three different tender variants, and of those with the NE tender, there are quite a few variations too.

Some have the shortened version as on Earlham hall, some have the full length as per the etching in the kit. Funnily though there is a shot of EH from 1950 with the shortened side rails, but does have the extra beading on. I can only imagine that the tenders moved around a bit during overhauls.

JB.

 

[adrian]

Well there were only 10 engines in the class, and three different tender variants, and of those with the NE tender, there are quite a few variations too.

Al I can say then is that I hope you have plenty of photos from the same era then!!

 

[adrian]

Well there were only 10 engines in the class,

Apologies for the double reply - but this confused me. I'm not that au fait with the Hall class but wikipedia says that 259 Hall class locos were built. So is this a "subclass" of Halls and if so what made them different from the other 249 built?

 

[Scale7JB]

Ah, this is an LNER B2, the Thompson rebuilds of the B17's which this engine just happened to be called Earlham Hall, not the GWR Hall class.

JB.

 

[Scale7JB]

LNER Thompson Class B2 - Wikipedia

JB.

 

[adrian]

Ah, this is an LNER B2, the Thompson rebuilds of the B17's

mea culpa - my apologies! my LNER knowledge is no better than my Western region knowledge - although my original rule No. 1 still applies work from photo's.

Thanks for the education - so basically it was a 2 cylinder B17 but the B1 worked out ok so they didn't convert any more than the 10 in the class.

 

[Scale7JB]

Pretty much, though the wheels are bigger on the B2. Still not sure which looks better aesthetically, B1 or B2...

I think the main thing is that the B2's were better than the B17, but not enough to to warrant conversion. Not sure how many B1's made it to the Great Eastern... @mickoo ??

JB.

 

[SimonT]

Adrian,
The GWR Hall class was a standard class of 259 locomotives where everything was the same with greater than 259 variants, as some of them did a lot of varying. To get the total number of variants multiply 259 x 258 x 257 x 256 x and all the other numbers down to x1 (known as x!). My calculator, left over from boyhood mathmatic studies, has refused to calculate the number which means that Swindon created a number greater than the universe.

SimonT

PS The corollary of this is that there aren't enough photos to show the all variants of the Hall so there is no point in using photos.
PS The corollary of the corollary is that both you and the annoying git who points out something is wrong with your latest masterpiece can both be right. However, he is still a git.

 

[Rob Pulham]

I was also glad to see the mother of all air receiver tanks on the back of the tender which I think is quite a nice characteristic of the NE tender.

Hi JB, you can get a resin casting for the Air Tank from David Hill at Gladiator.

Interesting that you too found wheels in a drawer. I bought 3 axles of 3'9' wheels from Mike Cole a few years ago and they sat unused and didn't seem to be suitable for any kit that I had but then by coincidence I bought the Q6 and J21 kit's from Martin and they are good for either.

 

[Scale7JB]

I really ought to build a hall at some point as it's the class of engine I leant to fire on, so I've got a bit of an attachment to them!

JB.

 

[Scale7JB]

The kit does have a air tank with it, but I may spruce it up a bit when I can get access to a riveter.

I must must get my own GW rivet machine!

JB B

 

[Dog Star]

I must must get my own GW rivet machine!

Surely your B2 needs a LNER rivet machine?

 

[Scale7JB]

Surely your B2 needs a LNER rivet machine?

Very good!

JB.