Scaleseven and WT

[john lewsey]

It seems to me that WT has upped the profile of scalesevern we all seem to be talking to each other more albeit by the written word .plus we all get to see what every one else is up to photos etc
Pretty good I think
John

 

[Dog Star]

True John,

The recent S7 meeting at Brightwell was attended by 65 peeps and of that total there were 8 who were not S7 members (might be read as not S7 modellers). I suspect that the total attendance and the number of non-S7 Group members is down to the growing S7 presence on WT.

Our S7 Group committee members might even wish to instigate a poll to find out how many WTers are modelling to the S7 standards. Or even Adrian could seek to establish just how many S7 modellers are amongst the WT fraternity.

regards, Graham

 

[john lewsey]

WT did it for me

 

[Ian G]

I was one of the non S7 modellers at Brightwell, The only reason why I wont go over to scale 7 is our club layout is being built to 7mm fine scale.

Ian G

 

[john lewsey]

That's a perfectly good good reason to stay FS

 

[Tony West]

As one of the ( agnostic) gang of eight, may I just add that I very much enjoyed the meeting and the chance to put at least two faces to names , good to meet you , Len and Mick !! . S7 is indeed a great ideal to aspire to ...if only I had the skillset to match !!...and although I tried I couldnt find anyone actually counting rivets !!!!.
Cheers Tony.

 

[S7BcSR]

At one time talking with railwaymaniac (Ian) we reckoned that were about 15 or so known WTers at Brightwell and by and large they were all regular modellers as well.

As for Ian G's excuse well I am in the same club and I model S7 but that doesn't stop me having some modelsa that will run on the club layout.

Rob

 

[john lewsey]

I think WT has given us a chance to break out as it were outside the confines of the group I've always thought that we needed another medium to show people what was happening and what was possible in scale severn who would have thought a few years ago that we could buy a ready to run diesel in 7mm that was easily converted to scalesevern We needed a wider audience and we seem to have it
These are just thoughts

 

[Simon]

A friend of mine visited, a non S7 member and not a 7mm modeller either.

He was very impressed with what was on display and thought that S7 made more sense as by the time you'd done the various gauge fudges to get the normal stuff to work properly then you might as well go the whole hog.

He also made the observation the the quantity and quality of "bits" available in 7mm didn't, on the whole, match the best that the 4mm market has to offer.

I said he should try looking at Gauge 1

Simon

 

[mickoo]

He also made the observation the the quantity and quality of "bits" available in 7mm didn't, on the whole, match the best that the 4mm market has to offer.

And I'd agree, but venture it's a supply and demand scenario, I.E. there is less demand in 10mm, thus less supplied.

I said he should try looking at Gauge 1

Simon

Killed my enthusiasm it's not as though it's limited, it's non existent if you're into modern modeling, aka post 56, that's 20th century 56 LOL

 

[Railwaymaniac]

At one time talking with railwaymaniac (Ian) we reckoned that were about 15 or so known WTers at Brightwell and by and large they were all regular modellers as well.

Rob

Yes! - That's the thing. I've been trying to pinpoint what it was that made the Brightwell show so exceptional, and there it is.

Everyone there was a model builder.* Everyone there actually *does* stuff.

And a truly excellent day it was, too!

Ian

*Well, except for the redoubtable April, I suppose. But she is a treasure in her own right!

 

[mickoo]

Yes! - That's the thing. I've been trying to pinpoint what it was that made the Brightwell show so exceptional, and there it is.

Everyone there was a model builder.* Everyone there actually *does* stuff.

And a truly excellent day it was, too!

And you know what to look for here don't you

 

[mickoo]

And for the rest of us?

Tim, Ian and I had a 'discussion' regarding door stampings, which involved lots of arm waving and scribbling on paper on my behalf and justifying why I was doing it, the image above is presented to reinforce my theorem.

 

[Simon Dunkley]

He was very impressed with what was on display and thought that S7 made more sense as by the time you'd done the various gauge fudges to get the normal stuff to work properly then you might as well go the whole hog.

In a roundabout way, that's what Bob Essery realised 30 years ago.

To me, it is the most compelling argument for doing things closer to scale, regardless of the scale in which you work.

 

[Simon]

I don't do any "gauge fudges" (unless you include my legendary wooden track gauges ) , and my "normal" stuff works....

I don't doubt at all the overall improvement in appearance that closer-to-scale modelling brings i.e. S, S7 and P48, but personally I would say that that is the compelling reason to go that way, rather than just 'getting stuff to work'.??
Not trying to start an argument - just my 2p, about the reason "why", from the Bodger's Corner....

He was referring to the narrowing of gauge at the crossing that people indulge in to get smoother running, not actually criticising the standard(s)

The Gauge one boys happily live with much worse, and they run fire making pressure cookers at Mach 2 through their points

Simon

 

[Simon Dunkley]

The Gauge one boys happily live with much worse, and they run fire making pressure cookers at Mach 2 through their points

Without running them at Mach 2, they might not get through so often...

 

[john lewsey]

Thank you to those who commented on this post I certainly wasn't talking about the merits or otherwise of scale severn to me a good model is a good model no matter what scale guage simply that WT has given us a bigger platform (ha ha) to show what's happening
Ta

 

[djparkins]

Tim, Ian and I had a 'discussion' regarding door stampings, which involved lots of arm waving and scribbling on paper on my behalf and justifying why I was doing it, the image above is presented to reinforce my theorem.

Hello Mick -

I can well see why you've etched them!

We chose to represent them as outlines - which you could highlight with ink after painting to accentuate them, as a lot of military modellers do - for budget considerations, as the surrounds you have etched are actually much much thinner than the doors themselves.

Had we gone your route of including them as raised areas though, we would have gone to relief-etched side panels overlaying full thickness back-plates.

Also, we would have had to go beyond a 24"x12" main sheet [four panels within it] to include them and that was 'way beyond' for a budget kit like the 08/09 - this is the same reason only the detail fret is etched in N/S - price is all to most customers these days, especially when we have to add 20% VAT to our pricing!

We don't offer 2 or 3 versions of the same item [say with extra parts or nickel options] because we try to carry every item in stock from a range of around 800 subjects and we need to ship any orders in 1-2 days max. if we can. This is very important if you are soley an online trader exporting around 75% of everything you sell, as otherwise you just get 'swamped' and hopeless confusion reigns!

Regards,

DJP/MMP

 

[P-J.S.]

I came to this forum from a 7mm narrow gauge finescale background, looking at finescale standard gauge, but from my reading of topics on here have decided that when I build my standard gauge stock & track it will be to S7. Without WT I wouldn't have gone down that path... certainly already having two wagons and a length of your bog standard Peco O gauge flexitrack it would almost make sense to stick to finescale... but having moved from 0-16.5 (modelling 2' 4 1/2") to 0-14 (for my 2' stuff), the transition from 32mm to 33mm just "works" (at least in my head!) The standard of modelling needed for S7 doesn't seem daunting in my eyes, if you're going to hand build your track... you may as well do it to the correct gauge

 

[Dog Star]

... my reading of topics on here has decided that when I build my standard gauge stock & track it will be to S7. ... The standard of modelling needed for S7 doesn't seem daunting in my eyes, if you're going to hand build your track... you may as well do it to the correct gauge

There are several threads on this forum which touch on the subject of S7 permanent way, start by going through the PW section of "Techniques" and then have a look at my thread about "Hartley Hill" which is in "Layouts".

regards, Graham PW-S&C and bar