The Wallows another Earl of Dudley 0 gauge micro

Stoke5D

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I'd agree, to me "I'm sorry but" is more trying to say "I hate to say this" or "I mention this with misgivings" however not everyone sees it in this way, Mike obviously interprets it differently. I think this is different to "I don't mean to be critical* but" (* or judgemental etc ) where they know they are being critical and trying to absolve themselves, which I presume is how Mike viewed it.


I agree and if you take a dispassionate look at Overseers post he did follow that "convention", he started with a positive in that the hull looks good, he explained the issue he had with the cabin including his reasoning for his misgivings and he finished with a positive about the layout looking good.


This is all true but if people simply don't want any comments like that at all, then they should say so up front. I think it would be a shame for the rest of us but apparently that's how it is. Alternatively, you could make it a condition of being here at all that input like Overseers' post is the price of admission. Not an unfair price in my view, since we can all learn from such comments but it's only my view and I won't be upset if someone disagrees...


Andrew
 

Martin Field

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If it helps...I was first attracted to the picture of the Joey by the attempts at cross braces and framing which you rarely see on narrowboat models. But then I saw the cabin and was shocked by its shape. So much so I actually looked up Joey boats to check I wasn't recalling them wrongly. As narrowboat hulls go on models that one is as good as any I've seen, but the decking and cabin are not right, although I can see how he might have worried about styrene stability. I've had problems there myself. We used to own and cruise Heather Bell, a very famous ex working boat, a wooden one built by Nurser Bros. My wife and I with little help put three oak trees in her during a very thorough restoration, which allowed my to get to grips with her shape very well, so I made this master in 4mm scale for N-Drive's embryonic scenic range. There is a huge variety of shapes in narrow boats, but that joey's cabin is a wee bit slopey, easily changed. And the cabin slides a bit overlong. BUT, and here's the complete lack of sh*t, horse or bull, that model is almost there. So much so that with a quick chop to the roof it would still be one of the best amongst some terrible travesties I've seen on layouts where the standard otherwise was so much higher.
I was once asked to do a review of the canal boats made by Hornby's Scaledale. If Mike had received that review, which BRM published word for word, he might well have gone orff in a huff! But nobody argued<G>

Cheers,
Martin
 

PaxtonP4

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In situations like this one is reminded of the words of Thomas Paine: “He who dares not offend cannot be honest.”

regards

Alan
 

Martin Field

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I didn't put in the picture of the narrow boat. Apologies. Here it is:- Heather Bell, 1937 Nurser boat built for Daphne and Ralph March and worked hard by them and the "Idle Women" of the War effort, who went on to train others to replace the men who'd gone to War.

Cheers,
Martin
 

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Osgood

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In situations like this one is reminded of the words of Thomas Paine: “He who dares not offend cannot be honest.”...

TP (a Thetford lad) penned some fairly profound quotes, one - "Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered" - even beating the best pin-ups of the era onto the nose of a B-17 flying with the nearby 388th BG in WW2:

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I do hope Mike can see his way fit to carrying on the story of the Earl of Dudley's railways here.
 

Pencarrow

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A nice Joey for our eddicashun

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Thanks for the link - it's a very different and distinctive cabin to the one modelled. Building something from scratch is the opportunity to get the overall look of a subject about right, so it's a pity the ship has been spoilt for a few cuts in plasticard.

A huge benefit of forums is drawing on a vast breadth and depth of knowledge and experience. If you put your work up on a public forum you are directly inviting comment, praise and criticism. I thought that Overseers comments were constructive and designed to help the builder correct something that was very obviously amiss and uncharacteristic. A better, more representative model would have been the result had the pointers been welcomed.

Such a pity Mike only seems keen on receiving the praise element of forum life and chose, IMO, to unnecessarily respond in quite a rude manner. No need and no need to go off in a huff afterwards.

Sorry to be a bit blunt but there's unfortunately a growing trend on forums to only accept plaudits and to react badly to any sort of constructive comment or advice. Sadly this is another example and another previously esteemed modeller who has gone down greatly in my estimation.
 

Pencarrow

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I didn't put in the picture of the narrow boat. Apologies. Here it is:- Heather Bell, 1937 Nurser boat built for Daphne and Ralph March and worked hard by them and the "Idle Women" of the War effort, who went on to train others to replace the men who'd gone to War.

Cheers,
Martin

Very nice model indeed Martin.

Spent all bit if time on canals myself and that looks spot on.
 

Martin Field

Western Thunderer
Thankyou, Pencarrow. In time we can all have a copy as this was a master for Nev Kent's N-Drive scenic accessory range, for which I have done quite a lot of models now, from a Fifie fishing boat to a 7mm scale Nissen hut. It all depends on Nev's ability to get them all produced!

Cheers,
Martin
 

Martin Field

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Well, here's the Nissen Hut:-
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No pics of the roof, but it's well, er...Nissen ...ish. it's actually 4" gutter with hand made corrugated aluminium sheets laid over. The ends above are mitred behind into mitred faces on the roof section. They also come with fire ext., power pole for the peak of the roof, etc. Windows will be photo-etched.
There is also a Triumph Model H motorbike half done in brass as a period piece too and there'll be a Douglas with sidecar, both also in 7mm scale.

Here's the 4mm scale Fifie fishing boat:-
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Hope you like them. If the boats are popular in 4mm they'll be done in 7mm too.

Cheers,
Martin
 

Martin Field

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Probably Geoff, but somebody asked to see them and as a new boy I didn't like to disappoint, but I shan't put any others up. Thanks for the compliments.

Cheers,
Martin
 

BrushType4

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Probably Geoff, but somebody asked to see them and as a new boy I didn't like to disappoint, but I shan't put any others up. Thanks for the compliments.

Cheers,
Martin

Why wouldn't you post any more pictures? I'm looking forward to seeing more of your work. Have you started a thread yet?
 

Martin Field

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Phil, I won't post them on this thread as it's not really fair to the OP, but I could start another thread for them. I've asked Nev if he minds, but he works shocking hours and I haven't heard, but I'm sure he's OK with it. I'm trying to dig out some pics of my own stuff that's for me. I'm no photographer!
 

Martin Field

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I've just added an avatar. It's our old boat in the days during the War when the March ladies used to run it hard up the Worcester cut. The avatar is from the latest edition of Narrowboat which, for the first time has photographs rather than woodcuts and we were delighted to find our boat in 2 of them. Here she is at Tardebigge Top Lock. They used to stop near here and take tea with Tom and Angela Rolt on their famous boat Cressy.
 

Martin Field

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Very similar, but these are full length boats where the average Joey is a bit shorter and intended only for day use whereas these are all boats on which a family would live. The last one is a wooden boat, as witness the vertical "sheering" which is oak strips nailed over a mixture of horse poo, cow hair, pitch and tar called Charlie all slarred over sheets of brown paper or builders' underlay. Our boat had some original 1937 Charlie and the paper in use there was original newsprint! This boat is most unusual though in that it has fore and aft bottom boards. Normally a narrowboat has athwartship (east/West) bottom boards of 3"elm and these are tied together with a full length longitudinal 10x4" elm plank called the kelson. There is no external keel on a narrow boat. These are all butties or unpowered boats, the term being an extraction of Buddy....the boat that is buddy to the motor boat, but pre motors they were all similar and horse drawn. That basically meant that the man with the horse would walk from London to Brum and back in a week! It was rare to leave the horse to walk on his own.
 
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