7mm US model dabblings

richard carr

Western Thunderer
Mick

The train ride through the Columbia river gorge was beautiful and we did see quite a few freights going in the opposite direction on both sides of the river.
I once drove past Cajon on the freeway, it looked spectacular below us,as about 6 locos dragged a freight up the mountain.
Kingman was a nice place to watch the trains as the line runs right through the centre of town, we were eating lunch and I was watching out of the restaurant window.
We have just spent the weekend in Dubuque Iowa, on the banks of the Mississippi. It turned out to be a good place to take a weekend break. I'll post some pictures later.

Richard
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Tim, I've not yet pulled the trigger on a TM subscription but it's coming soon, they also do maps with notes on certain sections.

I'd like to pick up the continental divide on Sherman Hill and hit Laramie or Cheyenne, I do like my UP :cool:

I'll have to look up Helper it might be on the way up from Cajon to Salt Lake City, it's ex SP district so will now be UP controlled.

Richard, did you run East on the South side through the gorge.

Kingman is good too, just East of Needles and Topock, both on my B+ list and it's a heavy BNSF line with 100 a day flow rates.

MD
 
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richard carr

Western Thunderer
I was in Chicago on business last week, I make about 6 -8 trips there a year. Our office is about a 5 minute walk from the exit from Union station to the west and north. It always amazes me how close you can get to the action.

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There is only half barriers to stop you from walking on the tracks.

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This is the old line that lead down to a bridge over the river. The bridge is still there.

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It doesn't look like there are any more trains.

Then these interlopers turned up

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The blue angels practicing for the the Air and Water show.

At the weekend we went to Dubuque Iowa about 200 miles west of Chicago on the Mississippi, it turned out to be a good to place to spend the weekend, this was one of the first things I came across parking at the hotel.

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I'll post the rest of the photos tomorrow.

Richard
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Very nice too, keep them coming :thumbs:

If you need anyone to carry your bags, drive you around...you only need ask ;)

Access is a bit of a mystery and some sort of unspoken invisible line. I was told by a SunRail lineside inspector at Orlando that basically the ballast is the no go area, everything else is just wide open.

One of the biggest problems I had with photography in the US is skyline clutter, especially in urban areas where all electrical utilities seem to be above ground, just a mass of wires and poles to contend with.

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By the time they'd run round the wye and got clearance on the main the rain started

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MD
 
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Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
This is the old line that lead down to a bridge over the river. The bridge is still there.

I notice the crossbucks are still there though.

One of the biggest problems I had with photography in the US is skyline clutter, especially in urban areas where all electrical utilities seem to be above ground, just a mass of wires and poles to contend with.

On the other hand these type of photographs prove useful when modelling as they provide details of street furniture and the like.
 

Big Train James

Western Thunderer
So far I've a couple of loose options;

Orlando - Sacramento flight
Consider the California State Railroad Museum as long as you are in town.
Pick off Donner Pass, highly weather dependent as if its like this year with nearly 800" of snow then I'm not going to get up there even at the end of April, but I'll pick off Gold Run, Colfax, Dutch Flat for certain. Down side to Donner is lack of traffic, 20-25/day.
I've never chased trains over Donner, just driven across on the way to Sacramento. But there will likely be plenty of snow still at that time of year. Also, I think you will find that there aren't a whole lot of mountain routes that see really heavy traffic these days, unless maybe you hit the Canadian Rockies? Or maybe the BNSF route east from Seattle? There's a reason they run the trains around the mountains when they can. You won't find a high traffic flow over the old DRGW in Colorado either.

Then option one is to drive down to Techachapi and pick off Bealville, Caliente etc for a couple or three days. Better traffic flows but not mountains hopefully Donner will have satisfied that itch. Follow that with two or three days down at Cajon, plenty of traffic here with 100/day.

I'm not especially impressed with Techachapi. It's apparently a mystical, mythical place, the product of amazing engineering. It looks to me like a curve in the track that just happens to keep going until it circles over itself :rolleyes:. Do that inside a tunnel, twice, a la CP spiral tunnels, and I'll buy in. Anyway, it's cool enough, and everything is cool when trains are running, but I'd give it an afternoon or day at most and spend the rest of the time around Cajon. We spent too much time getting to Techachapi and ran out of time on Cajon, which is a mistake in my opinion. There are lots of trains over Cajon, and lots of good photo locations up and down the hill. There's also a pretty good railfanning guide somewhere out there on the internet. I don't remember the site at this time though. I may have a copy saved on my other computer. If so I'll forward it along.

After that not really sure, two options;
1a, Head East, pick off Needles, Kingman and Flagstaff and try to get back to Denver then flight back to Orlando.
There will be plenty of trains along this route, but again not much mountain railroading. But the scenery is spectacular in a different way. And that's my issue with this alternative. I know your focus is trains, but I think if you pass through this part of the country it would behoove you to set aside at least a few days to see the area attractions, even if they don't feature trains. To be in Flagstaff (a cool town in my opinion) and not make time to visit the Grand Canyon is a tremendous miscalculation. There are so many amazing and different things to see out west. I encourage you to take your family somewhere besides Orlando on one of your trips. Anyway, good route especially if traffic volume is your primary goal. Not so good if mountains are important.
1b, Head NE to Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, Laramie, Cheyenne, Denver.
Decent volume this way, even more once you reach Salt Lake City. Nevada is a snooze though. But I think Utah and the Wasatch Mountains east of Salt Lake is a great environment for trains and scenery. Weber Canyon has some cool shots and tracks seem pretty accessible. The UP main across Wyoming is generally accessible from Interstate 80 without too much sidetracking. Lots of trains. Not much in the way of striking mountains, like the Colorado Rockies. Lots of people think Wyoming is kind of boring. I think it's pretty interesting in its own way.

The alternative is to follow the old DRGW out of Salt Lake City, across Utah, and through the Colorado Rockies into Denver. No where near the traffic volume as the UP main in Wyoming, especially with coal traffic off sharply. But real mountains, and some places where proximity to the tracks is very immediate. If you go this route, I can definitely lay out some of the back roads to follow to stay close to the tracks.


Option two, Donner for two or three days, then drive up to Portland and pick off the Columbia river gorge for two or three days, again 40/ day traffic flow and then head down to Boise, Salt Lake City, Laramie, Cheyenne and Denver.
I probably like this route a little better than the Arizona route. I didn't get a chance to follow the Columbia River all the way west, as we headed north up to I-90 then over to Seattle instead. But the UP through Oregon parallels the highway in many places. Decent mountains, although not quite Rockies magnitude. And again, once you get down to Salt Lake City and east, there is a lot of traffic.

On top of all that, whilst in FL hope to pick off Mulberry, Dade City, Wildwood and Ocala but that's one day and then a two day visit to the Folkston Funnel for a camp out there.

Couple of things I still need to research, drop in flights, eg just drop in a the desk and fly anywhere internally.
I would personally try to have reservations in place for flights. I'm sure there are instances where you could walk and buy a ticket, and maybe even last second deals, but I don't know how reliable that is these days, and I'd hate to think what you would pay for those tickets. Most flights I've been on in the past several years have been solidly filled, with any empty seats taken by standby passengers. I can't think of the last time I've flown where there were more than one or two empty seats on the flight. This is on airlines like Southwest and Frontier, which are considered discount airlines, although not super cheap discount a la carte lines like Spirit or Allegiant. Delta and United are usually fuller service and fuller price flights. Motel drop ins, it pays to book in advance but being as I've no idea where I'm actually going that's a bit difficult. Unless something in particular is going on, like spring break from school in late March/early April, you should be able to dig something up. Especially if you are ok with a night in the car here or there. Maybe check availability once you settle on a route. No issues with spending the odd night in the rental vehicle (is that legal) lineside so that I get the pre dawn and dusk shots, Cajon is a definite, Bealville another possibility.

Anyway, back on topic, I'd love to see your work flows on those items as I've got quite a few bits I'm going to need for up coming US projects :cool:
I need to get the software loaded and figure out how to do some videos. It will be the fastest way to explain things.
MD

In summary, if traffic volume is primary, then Cajon, Arizona transcon, UP main in Utah and Wyoming are probably the best bets. There has to be some good railroading up and down California, but I don't have any kind of handle on it. If you are intent on mountain environments, then volume will need to be sacrificed somewhat in places like Donner, UP in Colorado, and Oregon.

And I strongly recommend that you take some time to look up from the camera and take in some of the scenery, no matter where you end up, but especially through the southwest.

All for now,
Jim
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
James,

You're absolutely right, it's going to be a compromise I'm afraid. It make sense business wise to send all your traffic along the flattest route, not the most picturesque.

Regarding scenery, trust me that's exactly what I'm looking for, I've more than enough photos like this in my portfolio

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Now I want some like this!
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Copyright Day 28: Donner Pass Railfanning - MichaelAdams.org

MD
 

richard carr

Western Thunderer
As I mentioned last night we (as Emma and I ) spent the weekend in Dubuque Iowa. It was a bit of a random decision just somewhere different from Chicago. We stayed at the hotel Julien, Julien Dubuque being the founder of the city in 1700ish.
The railway runs directly behind the hotel into Dubuque Junction, a triangular junction that gives access from the north and south to a bridge over the Mississippi from the west bank of the river.
There didin't seem to be much traffic on Friday evening but I did hear a couple of trains during the night.

On Saturday morning we decided to do the River walk, which follows along one the levees that forms part of the flood defences.

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This gives a great view of the river, but in the back ground you can see a very long mixed freight arriving in the yard just to the south of the hotel.

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This is the bridge over the river, you can see the section on the opposite bank that swings to let river traffic past. So no hope of a train here.

When then saw the Star Brewery and with the 2 words any woman loves WINE and BAR !

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So she didn't take any persuading to have lunch here, it was a nice lunch too and they sold wine for $12 a bottle bargain !

Then I struck gold, I has hear a couple trains pass on the opposite bank but this one sounded different.

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This time a train about to cross the bridge.

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Another old crappy loco by the looks of it.

Once it had gone past we finished lunch and started to walk back to the town. Then this turned up going as though to cross the bridge in the opposite direction

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Only it didn't it was just shunting and blocking the road int eh process so as the lights were flashing this RV just drove round the half barriers.

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One of Dubuque other claims to fame (if it has any at all) is the worlds shortest but steepest funicular railway.

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It's $1.50 up or down

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The view from the top and that train has shunted out again blocking the road for another 10 minutes.

In all it was good weekend and not what I was expecting.

Richard
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Stephs right, a great big thumping GE Draper taper unit, I'll take that any day :thumbs:

Looks a lovely place all the same, plenty of photo opportunities even if traffic appears light.

MD
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
James, just noticed on your reply above you'd written inside the quotation in red and I missed this first time.

Couple of points, good info and yes whilst I like mountains think my time will be too short to mess around with low yield locations like Donner. You're right about desert scenery, just found some cracking views around Mojave and Monolith, as you say, pretty dashed impressive! Plus, high traffic flows.

Tehachapi loop, like yourself really doesn't do it for me, I'd drop by and perhaps take one or two shots but Caliente and Bealville are more appealing, actually anything were I can grab decent shots of armour yellow or pumpkins is good for me. I'd also like to pick up some NS stallions but out West they're quite rare, hopefully will pick them up at Simpson yard in Jacksonvillle, they run a fair few trains in and out of there through the Folkston funnel.

Concerning the overall view and scenery, already done all that years ago, wife to be and I did a road trip with the in laws from SF right across to Boston in five weeks and an RV, nice but....well not trains ;) Grand Canyon I found rather uninspiring, just a big trench in the ground, however, painted desert and more so Bryce canyon were much more impressive. Hoover dam was good and back then you could visit around it inside.

Disney to the wife is like UP GEVO's to me, it's her thing, not just the theme parks but Disney as a whole, more so the characters. This will be as good a vacation for her as it will for me as she won't be dragging my miserable sorry arse around :cool:

We have been out and about before and yes she'd like to explore more, but it's unfair on her and the kids to drag them out the door at 05:00 and spend 10-12 and even 14 hours railfanning. Last year I drove 2200 miles in three weeks in FL alone, it's non stop hard work. We will do something in a few years time when the youngest appreciates the 'other' side of the US more.

This trip is about one thing only, as many trains in as many environments as I can between dawn and dusk; hopefully some night photography if I can find accessible locations where they change crews. If not I have Mulberry and Taft back in FL as a reserve.

Flights, cheers, will plan and book in advance, motels I might just wing it, I'll probably try and pick chain brands, little more expensive but possibly on average slightly better. I only require a bed, shower and Wifi, everything else is an enthusiasm feature, which is another reason why the wife is not coming, she's rather more discerning than I am lol.

MD
 
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Big Train James

Western Thunderer
Once it had gone past we finished lunch and started to walk back to the town. Then this turned up going as though to cross the bridge in the opposite direction

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Richard
A nice picture indicating the profile difference between 3rd generation (foreground locos - sd70's) and 2nd generation (background loco - sd60 probably) EMD fuel tanks. Taller vertical side section and flatter top on the newer tanks, more curve and sloped top on the older tanks.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
I fell down this rabbit hole the other day and having read all the essays at least twice over I've emerged into the daylight :thumbs:

O Scale Kings

If you like heavy muscle it's worth a look and there's plenty of tips for scratch building bits and bobs.

Of course I now want one, just have to work out how many of the children I need to sell to get one ;) One of these or a C&O T1 will do just nicely thank you.

All I need to do now is find similar detail pages on a SP GS 4-8-4 or Cab forward :cool:
 
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