W1 as rebuilt

Discussion in 'Area 51' started by Dikitriki, 8 April 2015.

  1. OzzyO

    OzzyO Western Thunderer

    Hello Mickoo,

    some nice building work going on here, but I do have a question, where did the L.N.E.R. keep the fire-irons on these eight wheeled tenders?

    ATB

    OzzyO.
     
  2. mickoo

    mickoo Western Thunderer

    It seems a bit hit and miss, some tenders have hooks on the front face to store the irons across the front, others have nothing. Either way they are small irons with a maximum length just shorter than the width of the tender.

    MD
     
  3. mickoo

    mickoo Western Thunderer

    Okay,

    It's been over a year since I picked at the W1 but we are now on the final step. All of the new castings have been worked up and manufactured, both white metal and brass, the etches have been cleaned up and organised into production sheets and the final item to complete the build has arrived today.

    All that's left to do is send off the final etches for printing, complete one test build from essentially what's in the box and write the instructions as I go, it'll also ratify our stock lists and cross check all the sundries.

    Once the instructions have been proof read and checked then they'll go to the printers and thence into the boxes which are already getting stocked up.

    So we are now very nearly there, I'd like to give a deadline but a complete build isn't something completed over a lunch time, let alone photography, drawings and detailed text. The etches will take two to three weeks once I pull the trigger which I hope will be this week.

    I will show progress here as we go along, that'll probably be your best guide to when it's getting close to being available.

    I have cleared a space in the corner of the workshop to set up a little photo table, so that'll speed things along a bit, rather than having to keep clearing the work bench after each stage to take photos before carrying on.

    So first off a little taster of the new casing :thumbs:

    This is hot off the press and only days old, so it hasn't had any work done to it to clean up the edges, it is exactly as it will be in the box.

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    And just to show it's not an A4

    IMG_9909.jpg

    So keep tuned folks, there'll be more updates later in the month once the etches return ready for building :cool:

    Mick D
     
  4. P A D

    P A D Western Thunderer

    Hi Mick,
    That's timely. I have just started the A4 build in a new thread and this popped up when I refreshed the screen. We can bore the crap out of every body with an overdose of LNER streamliners! :)

    The resin casting looks very nice and in this case you have been able to incorporate the chimney. Nice!
    I note that on the A4, Martin's original design provided the chimneys as etchings.
    Cheers,
    Peter
     
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  5. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Western Thunderer

    That works for me any day of the week. Sitting comfortably, just a pity I am not that keen on popcorn.:thumbs:
     
  6. maximus

    maximus Member

     
  7. maximus

    maximus Member

    i bow to the masters
     
  8. Dikitriki

    Dikitriki Flying Squad

    Hi,

    I have a few more pictures - detail ones of the casing and the brass, nickel silver and white metal castings.

    W1 front end.jpg

    P1010356.JPG

    P1010357.JPG

    W1 brass castings.jpg

    W1 nickel silver castings.jpg

    W1 white metal castings.jpg

    Richard
     
  9. mickoo

    mickoo Western Thunderer

    The etches are complete and off to the printers.

    Just shy of 650 parts, I did toy with adding a few spare washers to make it over 650 ;)

    Image2.jpg

    Image4.jpg

    Image6.jpg

    The etches break down in to ten individual sheets to allow it all to fit in the box, that being one of the hardest aspects of the whole exercise.

    I couldn't just merge all the original test sheets as it would made the joins or overall sizes either too big for the printers machine or our boxes. I figured on a week or so to do all this, but it's taken nearly five weeks to shuffle it all around. It hasn't been constant, you quickly become shape blind and miss things so it was a case of an hour here and there.

    The above crops will be cut down to the relevant sheets and then form the base for the instruction sheets, they'll be block filled in light grey and then part numbers added, same applies to the casting sheets above.

    Once all the parts are labeled then the instructions can be worked up as the model goes along, in fact those pages in the instructions can be begun right now and will be all done by the time the etches return, just gets you ahead of the game by a few days.

    Some areas will require detailed drawings to be made up, areas where photos might not be the best medium to impart the best information, though the drawings generally won't be the sole medium and will be used to supplement photos where practicable.

    Brakes-1.jpg

    Brakes-2.jpg

    Motion Drawing.jpg

    These being from the original draft so the numbering will almost certainly change, but you get the idea I hope.

    Best MD
     
  10. adrian

    adrian Flying Squad

    You should have added a couple of parts to make up an oil can or something similar.:rolleyes:
     
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  11. mickoo

    mickoo Western Thunderer

    After 42 months I think enough is enough ;) :D
     
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  12. Nick Dunhill

    Nick Dunhill Western Thunderer

  13. mickoo

    mickoo Western Thunderer

    Okay, returning from my recent off piste jaunt it's time to crack on with the W1. I'll add the build photos here for two reasons, several aspects have changed in design during it's evolution and a great many people are now thanking us for the on line builds as it helps them when they come to build there own models.

    So, what do you get in the box, well some lovely castings, shown here on the new display board for shows.

    IMG_0204.jpg

    One thing to note is the colour of the casing, this does vary with the production batch which have been done in small groups for economy and efficiency. There's basically three colours, all grey and varying from the 'stealth' grey above to the 'haze grey' (battleship) seen below.

    Not every sprue is shown, example, there's three horn guide sprues all identical so the above is each distinct sprue in the kit. In addition the nickel silver sprue isn't shown, common to A1/3 and A4, an oversight on my behalf and not spotted until about midday in the middle of the show....one of those classic Homer moments :D

    We've also had delivery of the etches.

    Motion, a twin set for economy, one per box.
    IMG_0206.jpg

    Chassis.
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    The monster 'everything else' etch.
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    Don't worry, we break it up into more manageable sub sets which are designed to fit into the box. The layout is such that for each sub section you only need that part of the etch.

    For example in the upper/mid left is the bogie, Bissel, brake and Cartazzi etch; in the upper right is the cab core structure whilst at far left upper/lower are the cab detail sheets. The idea is to try and de-clutter the work bench during the build but there are exceptions, cylinder formers and slide bars on the footplate section, these being here to reduce the footprint and make sure all etches do not exceed the box dimensions....a rather important factor ;).

    What we should end up with in a few weeks is something like this.
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    Plus glazing, handrails and other sundry fittings :thumbs:

    Externally the above will be little different from what we have shown before here, it's the innards that have had the make overs with the new castings for J hangers, springs, grease tramps and injectors for example, as well as a few design changes to make the model easier to build.
     
  14. Scale7JB

    Scale7JB Western Thunderer

  15. parky

    parky Western Thunderer

    "What we should end up with in a few weeks is something like this"

    Lol, not us mere amateurs :rolleyes:

    Fabulous kit and outstanding build, I might just see what tenders you have on your stand at Bristol to start with
     
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  16. P A D

    P A D Western Thunderer

    Hi Mick,
    This time you cannot argue. It is superb.

    Wish I could have made it to Reading to see it again in the flesh with the new resin casting. Would have been good to compare it to the A4.

    Cheers,
    Peter
     
  17. Silverystreaks

    Silverystreaks Active Member

    I take it that the W1 unlike the A4s in BR post 1956 years did not receive the revised Double chimney ?
     
  18. mickoo

    mickoo Western Thunderer

    We have no evidence to date that it did, but you can be assured that the day after release date, said information will surface, such is the law of sod :cool:
     
  19. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    Naturally - why change 200,000 years of modern man's history :eek:.....
     
  20. mickoo

    mickoo Western Thunderer

    Indeed not :cool:

    Anyway, page 1 is now complete, it took longer to clean all the cusp off than to build and photograph, mind writing the text probably took as long as cusp removal, but we're on our way now.

    Rear frame extension with ash pan assembly. First off without ash pan fitted.

    IMG_0267.jpg

    IMG_0272.jpg

    Now with ash pan.

    IMG_0277.jpg

    IMG_0276.jpg

    The firebox front stay (ahead of the ash pan) isn't fixed yet, hence the slight gap between the side plates and frame sides.

    Next up is the main frame section, that might take a little longer :cool:.

    MD