Work in progress - now the X factor !

Discussion in 'Talk' started by 28ten, 20 August 2010.

  1. 28ten

    28ten Guv'nor

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    Lancer, well spotted! yes its a JLTRT GUV. in the fullness of time it will be joined by a siphon, and a BG and maybe another GUV -you get the picture :laugh:
    Brick dust and Angle grinders? tell me about it we had some new french doors put in and what a mess even with damping down the dust got everywhere :headbang:
     
  2. Ressaldar

    Ressaldar Western Thunderer

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    What with my hair being black and grey with brick dust mixed in, SWMBO reconned that I looked like a badger who had just finished digging a new sett!

    All great fun, but I was absolutely Kn***ered and really enjoyed the radox bath :D :D :D

    regards

    Mike
     
  3. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Western Thunderer

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    If there is one lesson I have learned from the last couple of years, it is to get on with it! :laugh: there is only so much planning you can do and whilst I like building kits, it had become an endless pursuit of perfection (which I will never achieve), which has slowed my building down and drained my enthusiasm.[/quote:3p03todw]

    +1 :thumbs: :headbang: :thumbs: :thumbs: :lol: :lol:[/quote:3p03todw]
    Having had a further talk with my good lady and better understanding what she was saying when making suggestions for laying out the garage (she is the one with the design talent in our house) I now have two foot wide by eleven foot to play with. I am thinking in terms of an MPD - I don't suppose anyone can point me at a track plan for Leeds or Wakefield sheds can they?
     
  4. 28ten

    28ten Guv'nor

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    Neil found this http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html you should find something here from the thirties
     
  5. Phill Dyson

    Phill Dyson Western Thunderer

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    Sounds interesting Rob, which sheds do have in mind ?...........the 'GNR Engine Shed ' books published by 'Book Law/Railbus have track plans if it's any help, vol 3 covers Leeds & Ardsley but not Wakefield, I picked a copy up in Bridlington in the book clearance shop for a mate last week.
    Phill :wave:
     
  6. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Western Thunderer

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    Sounds interesting Rob, which sheds do have in mind ?...........the 'GNR Engine Shed ' books published by 'Book Law/Railbus have track plans if it's any help, vol 3 covers Leeds & Ardsley but not Wakefield, I picked a copy up in Bridlington in the book clearance shop for a mate last week.
    Phill :wave:[/quote:ybbtjcga]

    Thanks for this Phill, I just googled it and found a copy of vol 3 for ?7.97 + ?2.75 postage. It says it covers Lancashire and Yorkshire - Obviously Wakefield isn't in Yorkshire then :twisted:

    To answer your question I haven't a definate shed in mind, just something that would justify the loco's I have in stock to build and possible future builds which are A3, LMS 8F, LNER W1, LNER J52, LMS Beames 4-8-4 ( I know that these ran mainly in South Wales but it could have been on loan following a visit to the shop - he says stretching it as far as it will go :eek:, WD both wheel bases ultimately and what ever my good lady takes a shine to in the mean time. She has asked me not to buy any more loco kits just to give a her a selection to choose from and she will buy them.

    Thanks for the reminder of the old maps link Cynric, I had forgotten it already despite having had a look when Neil posted it.
     
  7. 28ten

    28ten Guv'nor

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    I spent a lot of time today playing about with boxes, pieces of timber and some wagons in an attempt to work with the space. I think an urban setting might suit quite well so I have done a couple of sketches with a simple trackplan based on a West london line station http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/u/uxbridge_road/index.shtml its very rough , but a derelict late sixties early seventies feel might suit  :scratch: Another that might work is Winchester Chesil, but unless I come up with a brainstorm I dont think I could capture Churston to my satisfaction.
     

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  8. Jordan

    Jordan Mid-Western Thunderer

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    Sounds just like me that does - whilst I'm actually building something, though...!! :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  9. bogusman

    bogusman Western Thunderer

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    Hi Cynric
    Just catching up on this topic as just back off hols with family (spent a pleasant day on the Kent and East Sussex).
    I like the concept of your track plan and think it would be ideal to just watch the trains run by :thumbs: . The urban railway is starting to appeal to me as although I model the GWR in the 30s I am not a great lover of the typical concepts of layouts for GWR in this era (country set in Devon or Cornwall etc). Please don't get me wrong as I have seem very fine examples Bodmin and churston to name but a few but the urban grime has seem to got under my skin since reading Barry Normans track planning book and flicking through some of my old Bradford & Barton books for inspiration. I hope you push ahead with this concept as I would follow it closely :drool: .

    Regards
    Pete
     
  10. 28ten

    28ten Guv'nor

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    Pete, the urban railway has always appealed, my earliest memories are of Reading General and trips to Paddington in the early seventies. The downside from a modelling perspective is the work required for all the civil engineering and structures. Another plus is the London division location which allows pretty much all the GWR and SR locos to be run, I am tinkering with the idea of 3rd rail as I have vivid memories of them sparking away at Reading.
     
  11. Dan Randall

    Dan Randall Western Thunderer

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    I expect we'll see you hovering around the Peter Clark Models stand at Telford then.... :lol:

    Actually, you'll probably see me hovering there too, as I was quite taken with Ressaldar?s recent MLV build?.
     

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  12. Ressaldar

    Ressaldar Western Thunderer

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    Hi Cynric,

    totally agree with your comments regarding the civil engineering, I am trying to think of an easy way of producing 16' real life - nearly 700' in 7mm of retaining wall to go at the back of Poll Hill - what height, buttresses, piers, capping etc, but all part of the enjoyment of creating the model.

    Might even put a third rail on Poll Hill, if only for the MLV to run in and out, although I could argue that it was running on it's batteries (always assuming that it does not get sold at Telford)

    Best of luck with yours

    regards

    Mike
     
  13. Dikitriki

    Dikitriki Flying Squad

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    Hi

    I'm delighted to see a move to urban environments. I think they are fascinating subjects, all that grime and clutter. But, it is a big commitment to do it convincingly, as it seems to me to take a lot longer than doing a countryside environment. I nearly cried when I saw how fast Phill was moving with the tunnel and grassy embankments.

    The (slightly tongue in cheek) strapline for Heyside is '31 feet long, and not a blade of grass!' There are also good opportunities for photographs on an urban layout, and here are 2 of my latest from Heyside.

     

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  14. 28ten

    28ten Guv'nor

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    Nice shots! Part of my reasoning is the depth of field, or lack of, an urban environment is much more intimate and it provides a natural back drop, my inability to put Churston or anything Cambrian into it's natural context worried me.
    Richard where did you get your tracksetta templates from? I need to get a couple as setting out the curves accuratly will be essential,
     
  15. Dikitriki

    Dikitriki Flying Squad

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    They were originally from Railwood I think. When they stopped producing them, the range was passed to Marcway http://www.marcway.co.uk/trackm.htm

    They are vital, but I also used a trammel to cut a 1/4 segment curve from hardboard for a non-standard radius when the plan didn't quite match the space available :headbang:

    Richard
     
  16. 28ten

    28ten Guv'nor

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    They were originally from Railwood I think. When they stopped producing them, the range was passed to Marcway http://www.marcway.co.uk/trackm.htm

    They are vital, but I also used a trammel to cut a 1/4 segment curve from hardboard for a non-standard radius when the plan didn't quite match the space available :headbang:

    Richard[/quote:1dd8hmh2]
    Those are the ones :thumbs: shame they dont do 5ft 9 :cry: although I should be able to set it off the 6ft.

    while we ar on track work any thoughts on 'underlay'? I like quiet running !
     
  17. Dikitriki

    Dikitriki Flying Squad

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    I have come to the conclusion that there is nothing you can do that will quieten running. As soon as you ballast something the noise levels increase. The best bet is to use a quality motor and gearbox and build a frictionless (well, as far as possible) chassis to minimise the noise at the outset. FWIW, my track is laid on 4mm neoprene impregnated cork (the stuff used for gaskets). If you run a coffee grinder on it (not mine, I hasten to add!) it still sounds like a coffee grinder.

    Richard
     
  18. Phill Dyson

    Phill Dyson Western Thunderer

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    Yes I'm with Richard regarding sound, on the plus side coaches & wagons sound really good if rail joints are prototypical distance :thumbs:
     
  19. 28ten

    28ten Guv'nor

    Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    Ah, so things haven't improved since I last laid any track :laugh: I have always thought the problem is glueing everything solid with pva, I have been thinking about trying foamboard and ballasting as per usual but allowing it to float by using green glue, which is used for acoustic decoupling. More thought required!
    Anyway, I shall be ordering 2 boxes of track for the offstage loop tomorrow :thumbs: laying it some way off yet but I want to use it for getting a feel for space I am working with.
     
  20. Work in progress - now the pain of planning

    If you have a really solid baseboard, not much would resonate through it, but then you wouldn't be able to pick things up.
    Springing of locos and stock can help - more than having resilient track in many cases.