Ian@StEnochs workbench.

Ian@StEnochs

Western Thunderer
Rather than clog up the workbench thread I’ve started my own, really prompted by Gareth’s work on his broad gauge Buffalo and his crank axle problem.

My latest project is a pair of Victorian 4-4-0s which with their small diameter boilers make the valve gear very visible. The valves are on top of the cylinders operated by rocking shafts and one also sports outside cylinders with the valve rod and rocker above the footplate. I did consider making the valve gear dummy but being a bit of a masochist decided that all would work!

The most trying part of the job is making a crank axle, well 2 in this case! The photo shows one axle assembled and silver soldered while the component parts for the other are alongside. The parts were all made with the use of my trust Myford lathe.

9EFA2120-B983-4E19-95A0-1FC84C60308E.jpeg

To make the crank cheeks I shaped a piece of 16mm steel bar by milling and filing. The picture also shows the filing buttons which made filing the curves easier. It was then set up in the four jaw chuck and drilled 3/16” for the axle and 4mm for the crank pin.

8CD637D7-9B24-482F-BF36-D47B76595F9A.jpeg Slices were then sawn off with a slitting saw in the chuck and the bar held in the tool post. A rub on fine emery paper removed any cutting marks and the holes were slightly countersunk each side for a solder fillet.

74C43994-49C8-4D2C-89C2-AA7F4C6CE30E.jpeg

The crank pins were little turnings of rod held in a collet and turned to be push fits in their holes. These are assembled and lightly riveted to the crank cheeks, the shoulder ensuring the cheeks are held the correct distance apart.

The eccentrics are slices of 9/32 bar, 7.15mm, an odd size turned from 8mm steel but I have a 9/32 reamer which will do fine for when I make the eccentric sheaves. The rod was drilled 3/16” while held in the 4 jaw chuck and 2mm thick slices sawn off.

The axle is from Slaters and the centre of it has been slightly knurled with the edge of a file to ensure the parts stay where they should. Before assembly everything was dipped in thinners to remove any grease and all the holes had a shallow groove filed inside, with the edge of a 3 corner file, just to ensure the solder will penetrate.

Once all the parts were assembled and in the correct alignment silver solder paste was smeared around the axle between the cheeks and on the outside of the crank pins. The whole assembly was propped up on a little stand on a fire brick and heated slowly until the solder flashed. After cooling the black oxides we’re removed in a jar of ‘Picklean’ from Cookson gold, I think it is their version of citric acid. The solder paste ‘Brazepaste’ was from them too.

This is the first time I have Silver Soldered a crank axle. Previous ones have been pinned and soft soldered with 188 solder and Bakers fluid flux. Non have failed in service and one has been running for 25+ years now.

Next job will be to make the rest of the motion. I may be a while!

Ian.
 

Attachments

  • 5044EE71-F65E-459D-948A-D6E1650509AC.jpeg
    5044EE71-F65E-459D-948A-D6E1650509AC.jpeg
    158.1 KB · Views: 17
  • 95168EE2-970E-477C-BC9D-876D6EEC958C.jpeg
    95168EE2-970E-477C-BC9D-876D6EEC958C.jpeg
    112.5 KB · Views: 14
  • 855F03AA-5960-4B86-BC17-E2EEE8403CEA.jpeg
    855F03AA-5960-4B86-BC17-E2EEE8403CEA.jpeg
    224.9 KB · Views: 16

Dave Holt

Western Thunderer
Ian.
Thanks for showing this.
Did you use any additional flux or just rely on that included in the solder paste?
Dave.
 

Ian@StEnochs

Western Thunderer
Nice file work. What speed did you use with the slitting saw and what size was it?
Michael

Hi Michael
Thanks, the rough work was done with an end mill in the chuck and the blank on the vertical milling slide.
Saw is 3"× 39thou running at 400 rpm with a feed of 0.0026" per rev. Cutting fluid applied by manual drip feed.

Ian.
Thanks for showing this.
Did you use any additional flux or just rely on that included in the solder paste?
Dave.

Dave,
I just used the paste straight from the tube. Once the steel got to red heat the solder just flashed through. I put a bit too much on one side and had to do a bit of work to clean it up.
Ian.
 

Ian@StEnochs

Western Thunderer
I’m a wee bit fed up with making bits for the inside motion so I decided to make the steam domes. As I need more than one I was thinking of having them 3D printed. However these engines have quite small boilers and need as much weight as possible to pull a decent load so solid brass far outweighs resin.

Over the years I have been Scratch building I have made a few special tools to make things easier. These domes illustrate some in use.

This is my basic fly cutter to make the base of boiler mountings fit the boiler. Mine is a piece of 1/2” steel bar drilled through 3/16” for the cutter, a broken centre drill ground to form a cutting edge and locked in place with a socket screw from the end. I have a two axis table on my drill so I centre the brass bar in the machine vice and the cutter in the chuck. A few up and downs of the quill soon sees a radius generated.

1AD4ACAA-107C-4B2A-BFA1-F2AB06DE21C1.jpeg

Next job is to drill the base for the mandrel on the lathe, slocombe, tapping size drill, counterbore with end mill then tap. For domes I use a 5mm tap but for smaller fittings like safety valves it’s 4BA.

BCA2B663-1137-4105-9B23-4FBD16F24540.jpeg

Blank then parted off and mounted in the chuck for roughing out. I forgot to take a photo of the dome so this is for a safety valve base. The mandrel for domes is lying on the cross slide.

7E111872-2863-4814-86DC-671C76C06205.jpeg

This picture shows the two special tools I use for domes, that on the right forms the curved top and the other machines the flair at the base.

9EB7E154-5E6E-4567-A3DA-B759D3739FF4.jpeg

I form the top first by setting the radius of sweep to that required and using the cross slide feed in and takes curved cut. I get the best finish at 600rpm.

DCC8C6CB-99C0-4CC3-989C-68B342174AFB.jpeg

The mandrel is then transferred to the flare tool and a round ended end mill put in the chuck. Run at full speed the flare is easily generated as the blank is rotated and follows the curve already on the base. Photo is of the finished dome as I didn’t think in advance!

3D661851-35AC-4EA4-A674-B9CB001C5200.jpeg

After roughing a bit of handwork with files and abrasive papers smooths out the cutter marks and blends the curves.

4473DA67-265D-47A1-96A0-AB5F45DA0F4C.jpeg

Finished! Back to the valve gear!

Ian.
 

Attachments

  • FE0B9579-2B99-49E8-9DDA-A794244307B5.jpeg
    FE0B9579-2B99-49E8-9DDA-A794244307B5.jpeg
    164.8 KB · Views: 11

michael mott

Western Thunderer
I didn't realize that GWR used triple domes at one point! ;)
I like the way that the dome was machined with the follower.
Also I hope that your chuck has a locking screw inside. I have seen a drill chuck come off when used for milling because it did not have a locking screw inside to lock it to the short morse taper, it was not pretty. I have got to the point where no matter how small the task I will take the time to switch chucks from drilling to milling unless I am simply using a milling cutter as a boring tool with the force being straight down.

Michael
 

Ian@StEnochs

Western Thunderer
I didn't realize that GWR used triple domes at one point! ;)
I like the way that the dome was machined with the follower.
Also I hope that your chuck has a locking screw inside. I have seen a drill chuck come off when used for milling because it did not have a locking screw inside to lock it to the short morse taper, it was not pretty. I have got to the point where no matter how small the task I will take the time to switch chucks from drilling to milling unless I am simply using a milling cutter as a boring tool with the force being straight down.

Michael
Michael,

Its G&SWR I model and they didn't have multi domed engines.

My Drill is a Fobco Star which also acts as a light mill. The drill chuck is held in with a drawbar.

Ian.
 

michael mott

Western Thunderer
My Drill is a Fobco Star which also acts as a light mill. The drill chuck is held in with a drawbar.
Thanks for the info Ian, My Mill drill also holds the Chucks in with a draw bar. Both the mill collet chuck and the drill chuck. My concern is with the short morse taper that holds the drill chuck on the drawbar. Some chucks are threaded onto their mandrels (handrills) and most pillar drills have their chucks fitted to their madrels or drawbars with a short morse taper which is designed for in line torque not side torque, That is why some machinists add a machine screw usually and Allen head type to lock the chuck to the mandrel if they are going to do light milling with the chuck.

regards michael
 

Ian@StEnochs

Western Thunderer
Thanks for the info Ian, My Mill drill also holds the Chucks in with a draw bar. Both the mill collet chuck and the drill chuck. My concern is with the short morse taper that holds the drill chuck on the drawbar. Some chucks are threaded onto their mandrels (handrills) and most pillar drills have their chucks fitted to their madrels or drawbars with a short morse taper which is designed for in line torque not side torque, That is why some machinists add a machine screw usually and Allen head type to lock the chuck to the mandrel if they are going to do light milling with the chuck.

regards michael

Michael,

Sometimes we forget the perils of machine tools, I should have mentioned the safety guard I use when fly cutting with the drill. Safety guard sounds serious but it’s just a piece of drainpipe cut to sit on the vice and keeps the swarf from being spread all over the workshop. It also catches a broken cutter if that was to happen!

Ian

375F8B0B-DC49-4849-8BC2-6628A2B7E232.jpeg
 

michael mott

Western Thunderer
375F8B0B-DC49-4849-8BC2-6628A2B7E232.jpeg
Hi Ian, The drainpipe is a good idea but it would not stop a lot of damage if your chuck came off the morse taper that I can see is how your chuck is held to the mandrel. Is it possible to see if the chuck is locked to the mandrel inside by winding the chuck fully open then seeing if there is a screw at the bottom.

Michael
 

Ian@StEnochs

Western Thunderer
More progress and the rest of the major boiler mountings are made. Three safety valves including a spare, one showing the screw to hold it in place, and the two lums.

BE6379B1-D57E-4A4C-9A70-4185DA51757D.jpeg

Next job will be to fabricate the steam fountain with the injector steam valves, whistle and vacuum brake steam feed which goes between the safety valves and the cab.

Ian.
 
Top