Mickoo's North West US Vacation

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Jumping over the last few days to today and Mullan's Pass, there are some reasonable photos in the past few days and I'll get to them later at some point.

Mullan's Pass is Ex Great Northern, then BN, then MRL and now back to BNSF, I wanted some photos of MRL before it gets erased, some say it won't, speaking with track crews and engineers most fear it will. The staff have a protected six year agreement but nearly all agree that after six years it'll all get carved up. It'll take BNSF a while to repaint the units and some might get patched in the mean time, but that's something no one seems to know for sure.

I'd passed through here on Saturday heading for Cajon, in hindsight I should have stayed here, but if I had then part of me would have been wondering if that was the right thing to do or not. Those photos I'll do later as well, I still need to get my night shot at Missoula, tried last night and it was bare, I kid you not the whole area was bare, one train with a single SD70 on the end and nothing else.

I left in disgust, tried six motels and the cheapest was $160 for a 2 star motel, apparently there was a big concert in town and prices were about 140-150% more than normal, I opted to sleep in the rental at a rest area 40 miles down the road. A little uncomfortable but no slamming doors, running kids and decent facilities to clean up. It was a bit cold so left the rental running all night, cost me $10 in gas, thereby saving $150 on a motel. It's okay for the odd day here and there.

The upside to sleeping in the rental was that I was closer to Mullan's and up before the sun, I arrived at Elliston where the swing helpers sometimes cut out, only to be greeted by a long line of MOW equipment getting ready for the day. I did pass three coal trains on the way and I knew there was a manifest coming as it came by the rest area just before I left. The three coalies had been pushed over the hill before the outage, none had crews but would move West later in the day.

Sure enough the manifest came plodding up the hill.

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Followed by a swing helper set heading East, MRL only cut in helpers to westbound trains due to the stiffer grade, these are not DPU's but manned helpers cut in and out over Mullan, other than Bozier (again MRL) I believe these are the last of their kind in the US; whether they still do this when BNSF take full control no one seems to know.

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The the line shut down for six hours and eventually I got my first westbound through Mullan, it's a straight bore and reasonably short but on a grade. You can hear the engines on the east side for about 20 minutes before they get to the tunnel, there must be particular acoustic spots because first you hear the GE's chugging and then minutes later the EMDs whining and later the GE's on the rear.

Just before the westbound arrived an eastbound came up the grade and stopped at the lights.

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Then the westbound main event.

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Still laying sand and crawling at less than 20 mph up the grade.

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and over the small crossing here, not public though.

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Finally the wide shot, I didn't quite get this right, tried to do too many shots with one train and ended up clipping one of the summit boards.

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The shot is important (for me) for two reasons, in the back ground are a signs and notices crew, their job is to mark each crossing with new BNSF signage, they have 716 route miles to do and once the signs are in they're on BNSF asset register, the paperwork is insane just for sticking notices up and the crew were very friendly and we had a good chat. The second point is that this is the penultimate train to pass the crossing under MRL ownership.

Next is was time for the swing helpers to make their appearance, Mullan is known as a smoke hole, solely down to EMD ACe's, you can see how black the entrance is in the previous shots; despite a westerly breeze, the grade and eastbound train tends to push all the smoke out of the highest point, the western portal.

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You can see the smoke in the background but that's tame! Wider shot showing crew on board and all windows open the clear the cab.

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Then it was the turn of the grainer which had come up the west side to go down the bore, it clears pretty quick and this is only about five minutes after the other had come up.

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Mid train helpers from a slightly higher view point, I'll try this one tomorrow if the weather holds but it's supposed to rain quite hard here, the vegetation needs it badly, as do the smoke jumpers who've had a torrid year so far, it's not been too bad here as the vegetation still has some green, but further west they've had it bad.

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This was the very last train through Mullan's before the BNSF signage.

I cut this one close to the track as I wanted to show what the new view looks like with the BNSF signs, they add interest but I liked the older less is more view, but it's changed forever now.

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The crew were happy enough and he was going real slow, the driver opened his window and held his sleeve across his mouth and laughed, the trailing MAC was blowing smoke really well, not that you can see it too well in the photo, but when the swing helpers came through it got real bad.

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I was really on the wrong side, sunny side up but the curve hides the bore, once the helpers were past I walked around the curve a bit and it was clear what the lead driver was on about.

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At the same time another train had come up the west side, the trailing Dash 9 was ailing badly, a re-stored unit it really need some TLC and sounded really rough as it went past.

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On the rear where the swing helpers from earlier, sometimes they come back light engine, sometimes on the tail end of trains that don't really need them. There's always four helpers but they switch in and out the number of units needed dependent on tonnage.
 
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mickoo

Western Thunderer
Today was all clagged in and wet, ironically perfect weather for the big trestle on the hill as nearly all angles face south into the sun. What I failed to check was my shutter speed and about 30% of the shots are blurred :rant:infuriatingly the best ones. Still the weather is the same tomorrow and I'm in a different motel ($84 instead of $134) which is much quieter than last nights and cheaper so will add a couple more days on.

First up a dank and wet grainer at Helena depot, it's a public place so you can take as many photo's as you want so long as you remain on the platform.

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Shortly after a helper set rolled into the service depot, that made three full sets and the foreboding omen of another MOW lock down loomed, I did get a nice glint shot though.

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Another 'foamer' arrived and confirmed a MOW curfew until 13:00 and there were four westbound's called after that, roughly one an hour.

I'm decided to head up the hill to the trestle, the road would make a good RAC rally cross stage and knowing how feminine the 'Chelsea tractor' was I took it easy, but the rain made it pretty much a mud bath, I'm going up there again tomorrow and it'll definitely need a full car wash before I hand it back!

13:00 came and went and more white and yellow 'beetles of death' (MOW stock) rolled by and then the foamer roared up, left his girlfriend in the car and raced up the gravel slope, I ambled up in time to catch this auto train crawling up the grade.

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Closer shots were blurred as were shots of the swing set on the rear, not very common, which annoyed the hell out of me; but one shot did sort of work as they went across the trestle.

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Shortly after an eastbound empty grainer rolled down grade, yes it's slightly motion blurred too. The one just before with the engine clear of the trees and about where the first covered hopper is much better composed, but blurred even more.

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The DPU was better in the rock cuts.

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Moments later, running just one block behind, were the swing helpers; they had cut off at the summit and not the usual Elliston or Avon. It kind of caught me off guard and I wasn't in a prime spot so it'll have to do.

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Next train up the grade was a coal set, again some slight motion blur due to incorrect ASA settings.

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Then the swing helpers.

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And DPU.

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I was expecting another eastbound to follow shortly but after 30 mins it was a no show, turns out it was ten minutes behind me as I came down the hill, but by this time the light was fading and it had started to rain, I figured three hours in 5 degree temperatures was long enough.

On the way down I saw another coming up so just grabbed what I could, there was no room to turn around and get to the decent grade crossing spot so this little berm had to do.

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Your feet are level with the engine top so you get the full whack of the exhaust, my hearing is about 40% shot (probably from standing in places like this, but in reality 23 years on cranes truth be told), maybe a bit more and it was still loud.

Swing set again, sweet four unit all powered EMD 710 block lash up, they do sound good in run 8, typically you may only get one or two EMD's in a lash up and the GEVO's tend to drown them out.

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Back at Helena the local set rolled in and switched back to the service pad, that GP9 (GP20?) 567 block sounded good and the sing sing 645 in the SD40 was nice too. That lamp post will go in the final edition I post up on Flickr.

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Then the missed eastbound rolled into town, the head end stopped at the depot for a crew change, man that made the locals at the crossing fizz.....He was only stopped for about 3-5 minutes but every single driver on both sides did U turns and went another way.

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The cloud base was about 5500-6000' and I think on the west side all that smoke coming out of the bore and mixing with the low clag might work quite well, I'll have to see how the traffic flow is. Even though the trestle is only 2 miles from the west portal, it's a near 40 mile drive on paved roads around the hill. You could (and I did for a few hundred yards before bottling) carry on up the track past the trestle and it will get you over the top, but you really need 4WD and lots of axle swing to cope with the ruts and rocks on the track.
 
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Big Train James

Western Thunderer
Swing set again, sweet four unit all powered EMD 710 block lash up........
As it should be....


.........they do sound good in run 8, typically you may only get one or two EMD's in a lash up and the GEVO's tend to drown them out.
I think of it this way, I hear GE's but feel EMD's. Of course I hear them both, but work with me here. I presume it's a 2 stroke versus 4 stroke thing, but whatever it is I'm firmly in the EMD camp. But then I do also like deciduous trees, so what can I say. :D
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
As it should be....



I think of it this way, I hear GE's but feel EMD's. Of course I hear them both, but work with me here. I presume it's a 2 stroke versus 4 stroke thing, but whatever it is I'm firmly in the EMD camp. But then I do also like deciduous trees, so what can I say. :D
No I get the point, GE's are thumpers but EMD is more a higher pitched whine. What is really noticeable is the difference between Dash -9s and modern AC's and ES's, the formers are more guttural with a harsher bark.

Sat at Greenhorn trestle you can hear the train 8 or so miles away and it takes near 20 minutes to reach you, the sound fades in and out but the chugging GE's are easily heard and then die away and then the EMD's with their smoother higher pitched whine can be heard, but above all is the constant background whine of traction motors, maybe it's my deafness or perhaps better ability to hear that frequency but it's a constant whine all the way up the hill.

Typically BNSF does not power in run 8, to save fuel they power in run 7, MRL has no such qualms and powers to the wall. I watched a monster 12K stacker crawl (I walked alongside and it was going just a bit faster than me) up Cajon, a 2x2x2 lash up that really should have been a 3x2x2 or 4x2x2, as the mid train helpers came by I did wonder if it was going to stall and the engineer had obviously had enough as they went from run 7 to 8. It's fascinating to watch the wheels spinning in super grip mode, I tried to video it but wasn't very good at it. Even then speed didn't increase much.

Here's a loaded question, I though later EMDs were 4 stroke as they couldn't reach Tier emissions with the 2 stroke block, I know Caterpillar did a trial and I'm sure EMD did a batch with four stroke engines.

Interestingly some of the MRL ACe's are exports re-imported back to the US, Ex BHP units from Australia, they've been extensively rebuilt as the climate pack needed for Australia is not needed in the US and that made quite a few changes to the car body and rad group.

Finally, trees, Greenhorn trestle is an interesting botanical point, below grow conifers and deciduous trees, but from a height about level with the trestle deck it's conifers only, except maybe in sheltered gullies but they don't go much higher in elevation, 2-300' max, if that.

To be fair I think the ground slope also has a defining factor, conifers grow on much steeper grades and as the valley wall steepens then so the tree type changes as well. I was just conscious standing in the cold getting bored about the tree type.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
I'm not that picky personally, I just like them to be loud !

Some good photos Mick. It's surprising how the cold gets to you over a longish period of time.

Richard
Then you need to find some grades young man :), Arlington trash train is good, Cajon is good (I know some really good audio locations) and Mullan is good, there will be others, dozens I suspect.

I'm not sure what the tonnage rating on Mullan is but oil and coal are a reasonable yard stick if you take the GWT of the stock, cans and gons are typically in the 224 - 240,000lb bracket and load to 120-130 wagons.

Despite Mullan being enlarged for double stacks I've not yet (can't recall) actually seeing one, it's all coal, oil, grain and manifests plus what looks like a daily autorack train. I suspect the enlargement is for diversions from the more northern BNSF Marias Pass route.

By chance I packed long trousers, pullovers and a fleece otherwise it would have been a no go and limited to quick few minute out and back from the rental.
 

Big Train James

Western Thunderer
Here's a loaded question, I though later EMDs were 4 stroke as they couldn't reach Tier emissions with the 2 stroke block, I know Caterpillar did a trial and I'm sure EMD did a batch with four stroke engines.
Only the Tier 4 sd70ace's are 4 stroke. All the rest are Tier 3 and still have 2 stroke prime movers. Tier 4 EMD's don't seem particularly common as of yet. Tier 4 Ge's are also somewhat rare, at least around here. They aren't as rare as the EMD units, but they still make up a small percentage of motive power in this area.

Finally, trees, Greenhorn trestle is an interesting botanical point, below grow conifers and deciduous trees, but from a height about level with the trestle deck it's conifers only, except maybe in sheltered gullies but they don't go much higher in elevation, 2-300' max, if that.
You may also just happen to be right around the elevation where the growing conditions change and mixed conifer/deciduous forests give way to predominately conifer only forests.

To help everybody sleep tonight......
Rocky Mountain Dry-Mesic Montane Mixed Conifer Forest
 

Big Train James

Western Thunderer
I'm not sure what the tonnage rating on Mullan is but oil and coal are a reasonable yard stick if you take the GWT of the stock, cans and gons are typically in the 224 - 240,000lb bracket and load to 120-130 wagons.
Gross rail load for the bog standard 100/110 ton modern cars is 286,000 pounds, that includes the lading and the tare. Average coal train trains through the mountains west of Denver were/are averaging 115 cars, which is close enough to your number. Rough guess is 16k to 18k train tonnage for an average coal, oil, or grain drag freight.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Another dreary day and another MOW curfew, much shorter this time and on a section of dual track so some trains running but this afternoon and evening it was very busy and the first double stack train I've seen on MRL, a Z train that did a quick crew change and went West, possibly a divert from Marias.

I'll split this into two sections as the day was just that really.

First up the morning view, a pair of MRL ACe's on point of a manifest, not seen any on point before, they tend to be helpers only, but then this is a swing helper district so par for the course really.

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Soon after a swing set arrived, just before the curfew and I noted an odd arrangement on one (quite a few once I started to look) in the dynamic brake vent area. Typically ACe units have the mesh with thin grid on top (RH), DC units (M2) have the venetian blind 'slats' arrangement (LH). The photo is a good comparison between the two and the sand fillers are different to. The problem here is that both are AC units (ACe) my gut feeling is that the left hand one is one of the BHP rebuilds but I've not checked or checked the BLP engines to see what dynamic grill pattern they had.....all those photos are at home...yes I collect overseas GEVO and ACe export photos too.

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Typically curfews end around 14:00 and true to form the manifest left Helena at 14:05, I didn't move until he did, was not going to get cold again at the trestle. This being the only train present anywhere there was no other option but to chase it, out of town the grade stiffens and he's doing well at about 20mph.

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A bit further up the canyon begins to narrow and he's still going pretty well.

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Further up the canyon gets to it's narrowest point, there are some good spots here and hopefully the weather is better tomorrow so I can explore this area better. There's a nice little set of bends to add interest at this point.

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Then it was time to scoot on up to Greenhorn trestle, in the mean time the train goes through a massive set of double loops, it's hard to get photos to convey the vastness of this section and the grade, to get it all in you end up with trains as tiny dots, much of the land is private so you're limited to basically one or two posts, I'll come back to this later.

Finally near the top and decent photos, though as an extra measure I really ramped up the ASA, there's no motion blur but the downside is a bit of grain to the shots.

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An added bonus was a MRL ACe four pack on the rear.

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Now the East portal is just up around the curve about a mile or maybe less away so it doesn't take them long to get over the hill from this point, the time now was 15:25, so total time from Helena to Mullan summit is around 1:30, at one point I did pace him and he was doing around 13-14 mph.

Usually when one goes up another comes down, typically 20 minutes later, today it was the swing set and they'd obviously cut off at the summit and during yesterdays boredom I found an angle that nearly shows the East portal, I'd love to get up there but it's hiking only, that I don't mind, it's leaving the rental unattended on a gravel track for so long, mind yesterday and today lots of off-road buggies came by and everyone seemed friendly.

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It's a long telephoto shot across the gully for the Greenhorn trestle but basically about 5-60 yds past that bend is the East portal, I've just read that there are big fans and ducting there, which explains why it clears so fast and the huge volume of smoke that emerges from the higher western end. My gut feeling is that the fans run at one speed to clear as much of the lead engines before the helpers get there and then at a higher speed once the helpers are though.

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On the way down I was surprised to see this rack train coming up and decided to chase and try and find a viewing point above the loops up on the Iron Ridge.

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Heading up toward the 'narrows', my term.

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Followed by the swing set.

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I did just manage to get to the top, the road was quite 'squirrelly' with the recent rains and I did give the rental a bit of a punishing but just made it catch the head end coming around the top loop, the tunnel I did not expect at all, that totally threw me and caught me by surprise, I didn't even know one existed here, I'd like to explore more but very conscious that to get here you might actually be crossing someone's land, there's no fence or signs but further down the track are signs saying keep to the track, do not trespass. I'm only 200 yds from the rental in a little layby but I'd hate to upset the locals.

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I didn't even know there was a passing lo0p here, it's present at the bottom and I presumed it was a standard length loop, but it's more like 2.5 train lengths, quite telling is a small steel rack/table with spare knuckles and air hoses down by the track. Anyway the rack train came to a stand to let a manifest come down.

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These and the others I took of the loops (process later) are not the best as I'm kind of stuck for views and where best to stand. The cut is also quite steep and too close to the edge and you're going to go all the way down. The last shot gives a general view of the western area of the loops with the manifest going down, it swings around 180 degrees off to the right and passes right to left up near those lighter coloured trees in the far background above the centre beams.

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mickoo

Western Thunderer
Part two was all in town, quite a few shots I've not added of DPU's, swing helpers at the lower end of the grade near Helena.

Back at the depot I squatted on the other side of the crossing to get better shots of the helpers and depot, I'm quite close to the track but the driver wasn't concerned and gave a friendly wave. Quad set arrives for stabling, they didn't go to the fuel rack but one of the holding sidings.

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By this time the rain was beyond a drizzle and a persistent light rain, meaning that low angle shots like this tend to have rain drops on more likely than not.

A short while later this grainer just rolled right though non stop at about 20 mph.

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And the DPU, ya just gotta love overhead utilities! On a reasonable day you can see the mountains in the background but the clagg is thickening and the rain increasing.

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Shortly after the Z stacker rolled in for a quick crew change, the oil train had been sat for ages with a crew on board.

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As the Z stacker left another twin pack helper set rolled by and onto the fuel rack. Just moments before this the local power with the GP9 switched into the rack, this time with two SD40-2's, I've not processed those, too much clutter and they were grab shots.

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Not long after as the light was dying a grainer rolled by and line up head to head with the oil train and I decided on some low light photo's from the depot. The depot is a MRL office and crew station so lots of staff around, there are no signs to say stay out or gates etc and even though people saw me walking by no one said a word, so I carried on.

By the time I'd set up the grainer was on the move, annoyed that I didn't get them side by side I realized I could get a blurred train background and set to it. It's actually quite a bit darker in real life than in the photos and there's a slight blur that's from the ground rumble of the passing grain train.

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Back at the rental I did a quick image check and spotted the faint blurring and walked back across the street to do some more, by this time it was virtually pitch black.

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Rain is best shot at night, can't do much with the sprites on the laptop right now but I'm happy with the results. I should have stayed for more but figured I might be out staying my welcome, plus I was getting a bit wet and hungry. I'm hoping to get some more dusk/night shots at Missoula tomorrow as I begin my (slow) trek back to the airport.

One thing I did see but didn't get a good shot of was a new helper set which arrived from the east, it was a quad set but the front two engines were MRL and the rear two were spangly fresh BNSF 70ACe's, a sure sign of things to come, I don't thing they were MRL repaints. Hopefully I'll catch them out and about tomorrow. They rolled right through one of the back roads (and were too dark to photo well) and went straight out to the cut in point just outside of town, probably ready for the oil train which I suspect left just after me.

The cut in point is done out of town, there's a turning triangle left over from steam days which is also part of a branch line by the look of things, no idea if it's still used. I think the swing helpers sit in there ready to be cut in mid train. There's also a triangle at Mullan summit, functional but not used for the helpers. The reason for the cut in out of town, is to stop trains blocking crossings in the urban areas, I'd love to find it but suspect access is quite limited and it looks to be right in the middle of a golf course!
 
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mickoo

Western Thunderer
Last train I bagged was this westbound Z train ripping toward Seattle at 50+ mph, I'd also bagged him on the summit at the Cascade tunnel and didn't really expect to see him again as I was loitering along to be fair. It was about 40 or so miles between the two shots so he must have been held somewhere along the way.

The weather was vile with pouring rain and low thick cloud mixed in with lighter mist, it actually works in the Cascades and is the sort of weather you'd expect. If it'd been sunny then this shot would have washed out as you're shooting directly into the sun.

This line is no where near as busy as others have written, in just over two days I saw six trains, very disappointing to say the least as there are some stunning locations.

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mickoo

Western Thunderer
Working back a bit, there were quite a few spots I wanted to get in on Transcon1, ideally two days would have been enough, but as y'all already gathered by now, traffic was/is stupid low, two full days track side and six trains, one of them twice.

I've heard most goes by night, utter bollox, having slept three nights on average about 500yds from the line I only heard three trains the first night, two the next and four the third.

The first location is an overshot one om White Pine Rd, it's an excellent location with lots of angles, hence being shot to death by many others. You get some warning of trains coming up the hill but about 40 seconds coming down, too short to get across the tracks to the high ground spot.

Ideally you need to sit out on the rock like a gnome and let the train come to you, great in sunny weather with trains rolling, not so fun in the rain with a train every three hours or so. The narrow gorge and heavily wooded area soaks up an awful lot of the sound so trains are on you in no time, a scanner is a must, but then reception might not be that great here.

First up was an empty coal drag, the two units on lead were in dynamic and it was that sound I heard, but too late and ended up with a DPU shot, tight angle and no view of the bridge.

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As soon as he cleared, and I mean as soon as he cleared a quick hobble (calf muscles pulled again) across the track to widen the view and include as much of the bridge as I could. He'd already begun to slow and was doing about 25 mph by now but the next shot and he was already going around the curve. The second train here was also another empty coal, he didn't slow and by the time I got across the track and lined up he was 50% hidden by the curve.

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I back tracked a bit up Route 2 to Nason Creek Rest stop, as uncomfortable as the RAV 4 passenger seat is, you're not woken by noisy neighbours slamming hotel doors, car alarms or families feuding so it has it's benefits. Plus it saves about $120 a night and even if you leave the engine running all night, costs about $10 in gas.

As soon as it was light enough,a quick wash and scrub up and across the road to see what gives. Up until now, whenever a train entered a section the signals on the backside would light up, not on the Scenic sub they don't, this is old Great Northern territory so maybe that's a hang over from that. The signals only light up facing the train, great if you're looking that way, but useless as an indicator for the other direction.

To that end this Amtrak caught me totally by surprise, the low cloud and trees blocked all noise and it was only the barrier lights going that triggered me to sort of get ready. Looking up and down the track there was nothing, usually barriers go about 10-15 seconds before the train arrives, just by chance I spotted his headlights through the trees and was half way across the crossing when he rounded the bend. In my defense the barriers were not yet down and I didn't expect him to be going this fast.

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I've got some tighter zoom shots but he's going too fast for the shutter setting. This is actually a falling grade and steepens just after the crossing, around the corner in the road is the summit of the small rise so freight trains are still pulling when they pass here but shut off shortly after. Amtrak on the other hand being lightweight was already holding back going down the grade.

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The swirling low clag and white mist's did make for an excellent background.

Shortly after an Autorack rolled down, this one I did hear moments before the barrier lights triggered and crossed in plenty of time due to his slower speed. Trailing in the consist was a CSX and faded warbonnet units, I'd have liked shots but the narrow angle and low light just about precluded any thought of that.

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Double for your money DPU.

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Two trains in 20 minutes was a good sign (I hoped) so I headed to the Cascade tunnels eastern entrance, it'd be seven hours before the next train arrived.

The tunnel operation is interesting, clearly they were doing maintenance as the door kept opening and closing and then the fans ran at what must have been 200% for two hours in an unholy loud whine. Eventually they stopped and the system was reset ready for trains.

Doors shut, fans running and red stop light, this one does actually sort of reflect rearward running trains, only in as much as it's red when the door is shut and it shuts for trains in both directions.

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The tunnel is on a grade and this is the highest point, the summit of the line being that small bridge in front of the entrance. The real tunnel entrance is further back and virtually under Route 2, a small section of the barrier can just be seen by the yellow grass through the lattice structure on the left and part of a concrete barrier to the right between the fir and deciduous tree. Closer is a raised concrete section, this holds the original guillotine door which is I think retained for emergencies but is not tied into the present operating system.

In front of that is the new door which slides into that housing on the right, to the left (and part of the lattice structure) are the ventilation fans, these blow the smoke eastward down the bore.

For westbound trains (down hill through the tunnel) the door opens and the signal turns green, the train enters and once fully inside (the distance I'm not sure of) the door closes. It's a timely reminder to note that longest trains over Transcon1 are probably around 1½ miles long and the tunnel is nearly 8, so you could fit several trains in there if needed, but they don't.

After the doors close the fans start, but not right away, that appears to be triggered when the head end breaks free at the western end, downhill trains take about 20 mins to transit the tunnel and that's when the fans started (doors closed ten minutes after the tail end disappeared from view) The fans run for 20 minutes at what I've read is half speed, not sure about that, sounded more like 30% given the tests they did for two hours before. Once clear and timed out the door then opens.

In my case not so, as soon as the timer cleared then another train entered up hill, deduced by fan running time and estimated (increased) fan speed, after 20 minutes clearing the eastward train a second fan cut in giving about 50% audio. That ran for 30 minutes which is about the time it takes for up hill trains to transit the tunnel. The door remains shut all the time but is triggered to open about ½ mile in front of the train, at that time the fans throttle back and about 2-3 mins later the train appears. Once clear the door then re-closes and runs for 20 minutes at 100%, not as loud as the test but still bloody loud.

The site is also interesting in that it's where the new tunnel branches off the original line, which originally went on to the ferocious switch backs and then later the first tunnel. I do get a bit of a kick standing on historical rail routes.

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To the left the newer and lower grade, straight ahead to the right, the original Great Northern Cascade crossing, Route 2 crosses the new tunnel on virtually the top of the new tunnel and can also be seen in the line of cut trees for the power lines, at which point it turns hard left and aligns with the GN track bed and uses it for a few miles up the pass.

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Google maps doesn't lay the satellite imagery across the terrain very well, lines of sight that should be straight end up curved as it drapes across the terrain. The circle is approximately where the photo was taken but a few hundred feet nearer in reality.

First up the westbound crawling up the hill, the curves here are quite tight, but he's doing well; someone got their hp/tonnage figures right this time, mind it is a Z train and they get priority pathing and (often excessive) hp.

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The wider view, gotta love those clouds, that was actually quite clear at that point.

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The tunnel beckons.

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An hour later the eastbound crawls out of the bore, in this case an empty tank train. That tired (storage release) Dash 9 bark easily over shouting the GEVO behind.

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And the all important photo saving DPU.

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I wanted a low tight shot to get the clouds in, sort of works and I could have edited out the power lines but decided to leave them in.
 
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michael080

Western Thunderer
I enjoy your pictures immensely, great scenery, great engines and fantastic quality.

Just a minor note, there is to be a typo in the last report. I am quite sure this is the east portal, the west portal has no technical installatiion like fans, doors etc. at all.

Michael
 

tunnelmotor

New Member
Another great location is at the other portal at Scenic where a gravel road comes off the highway and goes over the entrance portal and back onto trackside in line with the tunnel mouth. You can see a train enter the other end and watch it get closer - it is dead straight and perhaps even dead level too through the tunnel.

But fabulous photos - it shows that patience pays off. Have travelled all those locations over the past ten years - last time in PNW was 2015 and SoCal in 2011.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
I enjoy your pictures immensely, great scenery, great engines and fantastic quality.

Just a minor note, there is to be a typo in the last report. I am quite sure this is the east portal, the west portal has no technical installatiion like fans, doors etc. at all.

Michael
Thank you, it takes about two hours to process the images, post up and write something so nice to know the effort is enjoyed :thumbs:

Regarding east is west, you're right :oops:, there were two errors (since corrected) and probably more I've not found yet ;)
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Another great location is at the other portal at Scenic where a gravel road comes off the highway and goes over the entrance portal and back onto trackside in line with the tunnel mouth. You can see a train enter the other end and watch it get closer - it is dead straight and perhaps even dead level too through the tunnel.

But fabulous photos - it shows that patience pays off. Have travelled all those locations over the past ten years - last time in PNW was 2015 and SoCal in 2011.
Correct, I did want to go there but the last train was late in the evening and I needed to book into the motel, thankfully I managed the pace shot later on.

It wasn't planned and I got lucky, although I did miss the Amtrak in a siding in the dull weather. It would have been a really good shot, but it's a two lane highway and folks wanted to get home. Finding somewhere to stop or pull over safely or into an un-sighted opening in that weather was just an accident waiting to happen.

Luckily Payton, who I believe lives local (more local than me) grabbed this shot at the same time I passed, Route 2 is too the left about 30 yrds behind the trees and I would have been up in the distance by the green signal heading away when he took this photo.

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I sent a message to Payton last night about traffic flows and he has just replied that recently it's all dropped right off and is very low.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Prior to the Scenic sub I was still in Helena, the sun had come out but it was so bright and all the wrong angles, so I decided to leave earlier and head west; prompted also by a polite word from a MRL employee that I shouldn't be parked where I was. It was arguable but I decided against it, some crews had chatted on the radio and were unhappy so I apologized, we wished each other a good day and parted on good terms.

In hindsight (on the long drive west), after three days photographing the helper sets the crews were probably tired of me pointing a camera at them, which is fair do's.

It did/does highlight how difficult it can be sometimes to know where the fence/boundary actually is (and I have to confess I knew exactly where it was a couple of times and was pushing my luck), because there is rarely one and the depot (in the US a depot is a/the station) is actually a crew change point with offices. The platform is easily accessible and there are no warning signs or no entry signs but it may have been that which upset them. Other than that single 'please keep off out property' meeting, the rest of the crews were quite amicable with little toots and waves and quick chit chats.

Heading west I had a quick poke around Missoula, nothing again on the service pad and only one coal train tied down (it looked empty so heading east anyway) and a old SD40 in a siding.

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Just before I got to Missoula I spotted an old MILW substation, it's a bit blurred being taken poked out the side window on the rental.

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With virtually no trains present I decided to swap to history mode and try to find some old MILW structures, the MILW follows the same water course as the NP until it gets to St Regis where the NP turns north through the canyon and the MILW heads upgrade to the St Pauls tunnel and pass.

First up was this trestle espied from I-90 and a quick divert found the old I-10 route back to the site.

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The MILW bridge is in the background and intersected by the I-10 lower and in front.

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View westward along the old track bed.

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View back east to the bridge, there is a steel cage structure to prevent you walking onto the bridge, but it's easily bypassed if you choose to, it does have a nice steel floor specifically for people to stand on and take photos.

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It's a lovely place and I took a few detail shots and generally walked around in the sun and enjoyed the location, very peaceful indeed.

Moving on I spotted this lovely concrete structure beside I-10

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Built in 1914 it does lend it's self perfectly for a 3D printed model on HO, so several photos and basic measurements were taken.

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I don't know what type of span it was, probably under slung beams given the depth of the pedestal foundation to the road bed, I've got quite a few MILW photos on archive and may even have one of this intact and in operation, being right next to I-10 it'd be a prime spot for photograph when transportation wasn't so prolific.

Further west I found this road over bridge on I-10 and dived down below to have a look.

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What I liked here was the steel structure to hold off the OHLE under the bridge, I think wooden boards were places on the two rails so when the wire moved up it touched the boards, again I'm not sure and may well have photos from here as well in the archives.

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The other item that shouts MILW is the unique power supply lines along the ROW, these existed during the electrification and supplied high voltage power to the sub stations, large sections still exist today but serve to supply domestic supplies instead. The tell tale angled arms joined together are a pure MILW trait. I've seen it in other places but not as prolific as along the MILW route.

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Final bridge was at St Regis, here the MILW crosses the Clark Fork River and the NP line as it turns north to head up the canyon to Paradise, I drove down here a few days before and its stunning scenery but hard to get good train shots, you need to park and hike and if trains were flowing more it's a place I'd like to return to.

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Looking north from the NP track bed, the old MILW span has been removed to clear double stacks, behind are the east and westbound I-90 bridges and behind that the old I-10 bridge.

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I'd like to explore this length more in future, there must be dozens more structures and I know further east you can drive along the old MILW route (better for quad buggies but good enough for a rugged SUV) and cross some of the old trestles, the one at Saltese being a good example which still has the wooden OHLE portals on, you can also walk, ride through the old St Pauls tunnel as part of a trail.

Back to the MRL, between Missoula and Paradise the line splits, one branch heads north and west to meet with the Flathead river tributary, the other runs west along the Clark Fork to St Regis and then turns north to join at Paradise, both tracks seem bi directional so you've no idea which leg MRL are going to send trains down.

It'd be a case of sitting just outside Missoula or Paradise and then seeing which leg gets used, that's okay if you're planning to head the same way as the train, but no good for trains coming at you, a scanner is almost a must have item to reduce your chances of a missed meet.
 
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