Magazine Gog Gazette

Ressaldar

Ressaldar

Western Thunderer
mine also arrived today - last issue was four days later than others here on Wirral, looks good at first glance, so some serious reading tonight

regards

Mike
 
Neil

Neil

Western Thunderer
Well 7mm is more rtr than EM is. I think those nice chaps in South Devon even do a range of points.  ;D
 
Phill Dyson

Phill Dyson

Western Thunderer
The more RTR the better for me (as a layout builder rather than a kit builder)  :thumbs:

P.S. Can I have a 22,42,45 & 52 please  ;D
 
28ten

28ten

Guv'nor
Phill Dyson said:
The more RTR the better for me (as a layout builder rather than a kit builder)  :thumbs:

P.S. Can I have a 22,42,45 & 52 please  ;D
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I was thinking of expensive brass - Sette, masterpiece, loveless etc and that you can almost build a 'shake the box' 7mm layout, something I would never have dreamed of when I started in 7mm.
Going wildly off topic, I do wonder if people will actually have the ability to build Finney, MMP or even Connoisseur kits in 10 years time. 
 
Jack

Jack

Member
After seeing Ledsham on page 44 I don't think anyone can complain about not having enough space for O gauge  8)
 
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djparkins

Western Thunderer
CME & Bottlewasher said:
I am still seeing less than, eerr 20% of what I would like as RTRCME :wave:
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I'm seeing 40% MORE than I would like to see as RTR!!!

In Jest [well sort of!],

Regards,

David Parkins
 
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djparkins

Western Thunderer
28ten said:
I was thinking of expensive brass - Sette, masterpiece, loveless etc and that you can almost build a 'shake the box' 7mm layout, something I would never have dreamed of when I started in 7mm.
Going wildly off topic, I do wonder if people will actually have the ability to build Finney, MMP or even Connoisseur kits in 10 years time.
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Cynric -

Well as long as it IS 10 years [not less] - that'll see me out nicely! 

Seriously though, it is a concern.  Philip Millard [HOG] said to me, when he retired around three years ago, that he feared for the long term future of the higher-end kits on the market.  I suppose he is right - but hearteningly, I do have a handful of railway customers in their thirties who only want to build kits and have no interest in RTR.

Regards,

David Parkins
 
28ten

28ten

Guv'nor
I think the skills are changing, speaking for myself if I want to make a part and its a bit fiddly to cut with a piercing saw then im straight onto the computer and into Autocad to make a photo tool. ten years ago I would have made half a dozen attempts to cut the part by hand. In effect I am loosing the skill of cutting parts out. 
I also wonder about high end kits, I am an experienced builder and  i dont consider kits such as MMP/MOK etc as being difficult, in the sense that some etched kits are (ie poorly fitting and requiring a lot of remedial work), but they do challenge me to improve skills, which is not a bad thing and ultimately produces a satisfying result.
Im not saying RTR a la Heljan is bad as they are models designed for layout work, but I wonder how many of the other expensive RTR models actually make it out of their display cases?
I suspect the future will be mainly resin kits with etched details, but that a small minority will continue to build highly detailed metal kits.
 
Pugsley

Pugsley

Western Thunderer
djparkins said:
I suppose he is right - but hearteningly, I do have a handful of railway customers in their thirties who only want to build kits and have no interest in RTR.
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Yes, we do exist!  Having said that, a lot of what I want to model isn't even available in kit form, so it looks like I'll end up having to design and build my own kits...

I think the future will be mixed media kits combining etched brass, resin, whitemetal and lost-wax brass as appropriate.  Certainly this is the kind of thing that I have in mind.

I've got nothing against RTR per se, I've plenty of it in 4mm scale, but not one of the RTR models available really captures the look of their respective prototypes, IMO.  In 4 mil scale I can live with this, the models are more designed for viewing in a layout setting, rather than being detailed pieces in their own right (although some of them have been).  In 7 mil scale, I'm taking a slightly different tack, with each model being a detailed piece, which will eventually all run on the same layout together.

I'm also not convinced by the shape of most of the RTR offerings either.  4 mil has the same problems, but I'm more inclined to correct those due to the original cost of the model.  If I'm spending £400 on something, I expect it to be the right shape.  OK, I've had a few difficulties fitting the parts of the NQLTRT 37 together, but I've had to do no fundamental shape corrections to it, so it scores well in that book.

I also like to make my life complicated in terms of springing and drive arrangements, so that's what really rules RTR out for me  ;D
 
Steph Dale

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
Pugsley said:
Yes, we do exist!  Having said that, a lot of what I want to model isn't even available in kit form, so it looks like I'll end up having to design and build my own kits...

I think the future will be mixed media kits combining etched brass, resin, whitemetal and lost-wax brass as appropriate.  Certainly this is the kind of thing that I have in mind.

I've got nothing against RTR per se, I've plenty of it in 4mm scale, but not one of the RTR models available really captures the look of their respective prototypes, IMO.  In 4 mil scale I can live with this, the models are more designed for viewing in a layout setting, rather than being detailed pieces in their own right (although some of them have been).  In 7 mil scale, I'm taking a slightly different tack, with each model being a detailed piece, which will eventually all run on the same layout together.

I'm also not convinced by the shape of most of the RTR offerings either.  4 mil has the same problems, but I'm more inclined to correct those due to the original cost of the model.  If I'm spending £400 on something, I expect it to be the right shape.  OK, I've had a few difficulties fitting the parts of the NQLTRT 37 together, but I've had to do no fundamental shape corrections to it, so it scores well in that book.

I also like to make my life complicated in terms of springing and drive arrangements, so that's what really rules RTR out for me  ;D
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Pugsley,

+1 on all that for me too... :thumbs:

Steph
 
7mmMick

7mmMick

Western Thunderer
I'll endorse these comments as well as it pretty much sums my thoughts on modelling. Steph for our leader ( the youngsters anyway )  :)) :)),

Cheers Mick
 
Steph Dale

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
7mmMick said:
I'll endorse these comments as well as it pretty much sums my thoughts on modelling. Steph for our leader ( the youngsters anyway )  :)) :)),

Cheers Mick
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Oh crud!  :))  :))  Never have I needed more, a smiley that goes :-P

I'll stick with  :eek:  :shit: in the meantime...

Steph
 
iploffy

iploffy

OC Blue Brigade
It was a good show, I missed out on the Deltic body shells so I bought a whole one. I wonder if they will have class 31 this year or 52 next, plenty of scope for bashing there. I was quite surprised to see in the for sale a complete garden layout FREE to a good home 20 points etc, by the time I had rung the person told me he could have given it away 20 times and he was SURPRISED!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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