Prototype Tim Mills' Photos

AJC

Western Thunderer
Go for it - anything is possible - I unearthed this image years ago from t'interweb showing a solitary FS van at East Grinstead.

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Those Italian ferry vans got everywhere (including Yeovil - untreated skins for Pittards), so much so that I have built one, albeit of the insulated variety. I have the drawings and most of the bits for another...

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Adam

EDIT - the letting is from John Peck of Precision Labels and is in his standard list - it's really a matter of getting him to do it in white for the brown vehicles.
 

AJC

Western Thunderer
@AJC I would hazard a guess Fährbootwagen were quite common in certain areas of the UK - possibly more than folk realised - entering via Harwich or Dover.

This is one of my dad's photos taken at Reading in 1961 (or 62) and there are least 2 Fährbootwagen in the train behind the loco.

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Yes - the nearest obviously Italian, the further, I'm not sure - German perhaps? You could have seen large numbers of Transfesa vans just down the road from me at Paddock Wood, for example. Continental ferry tanks carrying various noxious substances were fairly widespread, so they're fair game: the difficult bit is always the lettering but that's not insurmountable.

Adam
 

michael080

Western Thunderer
Interesting pictures. The "Von Haus zu Haus" containers were an 1950s attempt to antagonize the increasing road competition. The DB had specialized trucks that were designed to pick up these containers at any address, transport them to the next station and transfer them onto special wagons. At the receivers address, the same thing happend. The containers had wheels that fit into rails on special wagons. They were produced in various shapes, there were open containers, closed containers as in the picture above, tank containers and probably a few more. Many breweries had private containers with their logos painted on the tanks.

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(c) Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg

It is surprising to see these containers in the UK, without the trucks, the containers had to be moved by crane.

Many more pictures can be found if you google "DB Von Haus zu Haus"


Michael
 

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
Simon,

They didn't; the DRG were running Haus zu Haus services before the war too. The heavy mechanisation took place after the war that allowed smaller units to be moved - before the war it was a wagon load service. An internet search on 'Culemeyer-Strassenroller' will reveal more...

Steph

Edit: Just realised I probably should translate that: DRG = Deutsche Reichsbahn* Gesellschaft (the pre-war German State* Railway Company)
*Actually, Reichsbahn translates directly as 'Imperial Railway', but I don't think I've ever heard it referred to as such in English, primarily because it's somewhat inaccurate.
 

AJC

Western Thunderer
Door to Door Container Transport? Can’t help thinking the GW beat them to it…

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Simon

Basic lift boxes like that have been around more or less forever, but those are really pretty crude. The Haus zu Haus things look altogether better engineered in every sense, the most obvious one being not needing a crane for every handling operation.

Adam
 

Overseer

Western Thunderer
Door to Door Container Transport? Can’t help thinking the GW beat them to it…
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Photo from Kelley, “Road Vehicles of the Great Western Railway”, OPC 1972

atb
Simon
It wasn't just the Great Western.
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As advertised in the May 1937 issue of The Railway Magazine. British Railways existed as a marketing idea long before the entity was created.
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Adam. I can't pick up whether the Scammel has BR markings or not. Judging by the shade of grey it is, indeed, quite possibly in BR yellow. (For those in black and white the green ball is behind the yellow.) Good detail from the brake van too, and thank you for picking that up. Just a small correction - that freight is not from the Brentford branch. The ex-Brentford train is the photo below.

Thanks Adam, Dave and Larry for adding detail and concerns about the model I'd not noticed.

As far as the wagon and its load what a lot of wonderful stuff and a deal of research too. Forgive me if I don't list the contributors but this is possibly the best discussion stimulation we've seen so far. To say that Tim is amazed is a bit of an understatement. He becomes more convinced that our gentle ministrations to his collection provide more detail than he could have achieved anywhere else. I guess that this photo may actually be fairly important in terms of historical detail and how such wagons and loads were included in what appears to be a humdrum pick up goods. Thank you all.

Today's photos have proven to be a bit more difficult to organise, as they range across a number of film strips. Nevertheless they all come under the title "Southall 1963".

Very much still working is 2884 class 2-8-0 2899 with a large prairie and another loco behind. It belonged to Southall from mid December 1962 until withdrawn in March 1965. It then went to Buttigiegs at Newport and had gone during July of the same year.

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I believe these two photos to be the same 61XX 2-6-2T photographed on the same day. I'm pretty confident this is 6159 which was a Didcot loco from 1960 and withdrawn in 1965. A visit to Southall is far from out of the question. It went to the Steele Supply Co, Jersey Marine where it was scrapped in January 1966. However as 6156 was at Oxford until July 1964 and an Old Oak engine from then until transferred to Southall in the August it's a possible alternative.

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Brian
 

SimonT

Western Thunderer
Brian,
the 61s are different locos. The first loco has the top lamp iron on the smoke box door, the second sports it in the original place on the top of the smoke box. The only photo I have of 6159 was taken in the 1950s while waiting to go into the works - it had no top iron! I guess we need to see what Mr S can find in his collection.
Looking at the number plate of the second loco, it could be 6136. It certainly had a smokebox top lamp iron. It went to Didcot from the works in Jun 63 but I cannot comment on the 1964 allocation.
Simon
 

daifly

Western Thunderer
Brian,
the 61s are different locos. The first loco has the top lamp iron on the smoke box door, the second sports it in the original place on the top of the smoke box. The only photo I have of 6159 was taken in the 1950s while waiting to go into the works - it had no top iron! I guess we need to see what Mr S can find in his collection.
This probably shows enough!
I don't think either of the photos shows 6159.
Dave
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daifly

Western Thunderer
Just found another photo of 6159 at Oxford in 1964 still bearing its smokebox numberplate!

The smokebox door-mounted lamp iron was a very unusual feature by the '60s.

There were some strange goings on though. I have an early (lion & wheel logo) photo of 6135 with a smokebox top lamp iron and a later (final BR totem) photo with a smokebox door lamp iron and no top lamp iron. The only photos that I have of 61xx locos from the period with the smokebox door lamp iron are 6135 and 6158. 6158 was a 'Welsh' loco by this time, but 6135 was based in home counties sheds at this time and is a possibility.

Dave
 

SimonT

Western Thunderer
There is a photo of 6135 in the Pannier Papers at Paddington, dated 7Aug63. It is described as being plain green (late totem as well) and has the lamp iron on the smokebox door, matching Dave's photo. The Allocation Record shows a Swindon visit starting 7Feb63 and allocation to OOC 20 Mar.

6163 is a possibility for the second loco. Last shopped Aug-Oct '62, allocated to OOC, sufficient time to got into that state.

I think we can tell you which loco it isn't but have a few problems telling you which it is!

Simon
 
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