A diversion

Dave Holt

Western Thunderer
I have currently put aside my own model projects in order to complete some work for a friend. The project started off as completion of a part built chassis for a LNWR Special Tank. The model had, I believe, originally been built in EM gauge from a London Road Models kit. However, on close inspection there appeared to be rather too much play in the axleboxes/horns which, together with the narrow frame spacing resulted in about +/- 0.3 to 0.5 mm waggle at the ends of the axles. The coupling rod holes were also over size and a loose fit on my jig axles. Also not to my liking, though not fatal, was the compensation arrangement, with a fixed rear axle and a single pivoted beam spanning the front two axles. Although this does work as a compensation arrangement, it results in very poor weight distribution if instability is to be avoided.
Fortunately, my friend has been able to obtain a new chassis kit from LRM, so a fresh start has been made.
The choice of suspension was between full floating compensation, with twin rear beams and a central pivot for the front, or CSB. I have built a few tender chassis with CSB but never a loco, so this seemed to be the chance to try it. I found a few worked examples for locos with the same wheelbase but in every case the front spring anchor point was off the front of the frames. It might be possible to calculate a suitable arrangement, but I don't have the ability to use Excel on my computer, so that wasn't an option. So, full floating compensation it is.
I have set up my Avonside Chassis Jig to match the etched holes in the frames and the coupling rods which, thankfully, all matched. The twin rear beams have been cut and the rear two horn slots cur out. I'm leaving the front as is for now, so that I can set the front rocker to bear on the axle at the correct ride height. Once the frames are assembled, the filler plates, already partly cut, can be removed and the front horns fitted using the jig.
A couple of view of the frame plates on the jig using the axle hole bushes fro location but with the horn guides and compensating beam loosely placed.
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The LHS frame back on the jig with the centre and rear horns over the frame slots and the front end located by the bush. You can see that I've pre-cut most of the way for the front horn slot.
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Dave.
 

ullypug

Western Thunderer
I was going to compliment you on the neatness of your soldering Dave!
I’m using the same compensation solution for my 54xx.
 

Dave Holt

Western Thunderer
Mmm, thanks Andrew. You probably won't be quite so complementary now there actually in some soldering.:D

The basic chassis has now been assembled, with stretchers (spacers), horn blocks, front rocking beam and brake hanger pins.
Spec_tank_005.JPGSpec_tank_006.JPG
I've left the centre brake hanger pin complete, as another frame stiffening point. The front and rear have been cut away to clear the front body fixing screw and the rear twin compensation beam, respectively.
Fitting the rear beams next.

Dave.
 

Dave Holt

Western Thunderer
Progress with the chassis is now held up awaiting resolution of a problem with a new Proxxon drill stand I bought recently.
In the mean time, I'm tinkering with a few bits and bobs - brake hangers, coupling rods and the transfer of some dummy springs from the old chassis.
Here's a comparison of chassis widths between the old version and the new P4 spaced frames.
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Also illustrates the different approach to the compensation system.
Dave.
 

Dave Holt

Western Thunderer
What a pleasure to have WT back. Well done Admin (Adrian?) for sorting the problem out and restoring normal service. Like others, I suspect, my initial reaction to the suspension notice was that it was something I had inadvertently done, although I couldn't imagine how I might have transgressed. I clicked on the Webmaster link and tried to send a message, then began to fret that I'd committed the ultimate stupid act by clicking on an unknown link. Luckily, nothing untoward seems to have resulted.
Regarding the Special Tank chassis, I spent some time pondering how to provide a suitable torque reaction system to hold the motor/gearbox whilst allowing unrestricted suspension movement. In the end, I've fitted a pivoted wire link between the bottom of the middle frame stretcher and some holes drilled into the gearbox side plates. The resulting arrangement is shown in the photos.
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Since these photos were taken, the torque links have been tweaked slightly to bring the motor more horizontal.
To check that the tilted motor wasn't touching the inside of the boiler, a trial fit of the chassis to body was made. No restriction to free suspension travel was found.
Spec_tank_010.JPG
Dave.
 

simond

Western Thunderer
Dave,

I didn't notice before, but I think you have two links from the chassis to the gearbox - one each side - this may overconstrain the gearbox in roll (ie if one wheel is higher than the other, relative to the rest of the chassis).
Given there must be a little free play in the link holes, this may not be a problem, but it might cause unexpected results if a lot of travel is required.

best
Simon
 

Dave Holt

Western Thunderer
You're quite right about he two sided torque reaction link, Simon. I couldn't see a practical way of using a single, central link and didn't want to use a one sided arrangement because of the twisting action. So, twin sided it was.
In practice, it is not limiting a reasonable amount of gearbox roll movement. As you say, there's some play in the location holes and pivot tube. The pivot section has some sideways travel and the link arms can flex slightly.
Seems to work in practice.
 
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