Bethesda Sidings

Discussion in 'Entries' started by Captain Kernow, 25 April 2017.

  1. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    In the past I've painted the track before removing the sleeper webbing. This helps prevent the sleepers moving around whilst cutting the webbing.
  2. NHY 581

    NHY 581 Western Thunderer

    Morning CK.

    I am like you, I don't want something that will run as if it's got a bat up its night dress so I won't be playing Hattons roulette thank you very much.

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  3. Captain Kernow

    Captain Kernow Western Thunderer

    You're right, if you're not careful the sleepers can move around, but I've found that adequate finger pressure, plus cutting alternate webs first, helps prevent that.
  4. Geoff

    Geoff Western Thunderer

    Hi Tim,

    I had my doubts about the DJM 14XX chassis following a conversation with Hattons. I asked if they had any idea if the chassis could be converted to EM /P4? No idea was their reply, you need to contact DJM, and provided his contact details. Dave Jones replied saying that he couldn't disclose any intellectual property, and suggested that I contact Hattons! At that point I decided to pull out of ordering the model, glad I did now.

    Presteign(e) can be spelt either way, depending on the era that you are modelling, and whether you are Welsh or English, some locals still add the 'e'. There is a photo in Michael Clemens book, 'The last days of steam in Central Wales', which shows 1420 at Presteign,with the outline of the 'e' still clearly visible on the station name board. That would have been in 1964, with closure in September being but a few months / weeks away.

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  5. Captain Kernow

    Captain Kernow Western Thunderer

    I've now cut the foundations for the goods shed out of the cork underlay. This involved positioning the goods shed (built by Paul Iliff a few years ago) very precisely and testing some locos and rolling stock into the shed itself. Once I was happy with the positioning, I marked all around the base of the walls and cut the cork underlay away:


    The goods shed was then test fitted:




    I've also added a second set of check rails at the end of the goods shed siding, where the access road will cross two lines to get to the goods shed. These short sections of in-laid track will feature setts, scribed on tile grout:

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  6. Captain Kernow

    Captain Kernow Western Thunderer

    The motor and the gearbox components for the Perseverance 14XX chassis have just arrived (thanks to High Level for the usual excellent service).

    I'm minded to put further work on the layout on the back-burner for a while and concentrate on doing this loco.
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  7. Steph Dale

    Steph Dale Western Thunderer


    You didn't go with the full High Level chassis then? Did you already have the Perseverance chassis kit, or was there another reason?

  8. Captain Kernow

    Captain Kernow Western Thunderer

    I did already have the Perseverance chassis, Steph, but then again, I bought it relatively recently, with the specific objective in mind of using it on the Hattons 14XX, if I couldn't get the DJM mechanism to run properly.

    You are right about High Level doing what is probably the best chassis and I am very much a supporter and user of Chris Gibbon's products, but there is a peverse side to me (horrified cries of 'surely not!' from the likes of Simon!), in that I firmly believe that the less complicated but still entirely adequate Perseverance product will suffice for what will be a 'layout' loco, rather than one that I will subject to the merciless scrutiny of a modern digital macro lens.
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  9. Captain Kernow

    Captain Kernow Western Thunderer

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  10. Pencarrow

    Pencarrow Western Thunderer

    Good grief CK, just read you battle with the 14xx motor extraction. DJM certainly seem to be heading down the 'no user serviceable parts inside' consumer electronics route. I assume that if it breaks the idea is you chuck it in the bin and buy another? Top marks for perseverance (see what I did there?)...
  11. Geoff

    Geoff Western Thunderer

    Congratulations to DJM for producing the first ever disposable 4mm loco :)

    Really pleased that you have found a suitable drive train Tim, and look forward to seeing the completed model.

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  12. Captain Kernow

    Captain Kernow Western Thunderer

    Thanks chaps.

    Getting the proposed new drive train to actually work is dependent on my measurements of the inside of the mazak block being sufficiently accurate, plus the 1015 motor being powerful enough to drive the loco via the 90:1 gearbox that I'm putting in it (the loco will only ever have to crawl into Bethesda Sidings and out again!).
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  13. Captain Kernow

    Captain Kernow Western Thunderer

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  14. Geoff

    Geoff Western Thunderer

    Just been reading about your interesting and taxing battle with the 14XX over there Tim, glad you are getting on top of things. Trial and error is the name of the game when it comes to jobs like that, but I'm sure it will all be worthwhile in the end.

    I'll bookmark your account of doing things just in case I come across a duff example going cheap, thanks for leading the way.

  15. Captain Kernow

    Captain Kernow Western Thunderer

    I've published a further update on the 14XX chassis saga on my blog on RMWeb - New chassis for the Hattons 14XX - Part 3

    I'm pleased to say that I now feel that I'm starting to make progress. It's now more like any other re-chassis job, with rather more routine jobs left to do such as fitting brake gear and pick ups and then the painting and weathering.
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  16. Captain Kernow

    Captain Kernow Western Thunderer

    British Railways, Western Region

    Operation of Class D95XX diesel-hydraulics between Leominster (Kington Junction) and Capel Bethesda

    Following successful clearance trials, D95Xx 0-6-0 diesel-hydraulic locomotives are permitted to work between Leominster (Kington Junction) and Capel Bethesda goods sidings. All movements are limited to a maximum of 20 mph over this route subject to other prevailing permanent speed restrictions.

    The operation of these locomotives remains prohibited between Titley Junction and Presteign and between Capel Bethesda and Gunstone Junction.

    A. Cuthbertson

    District Operating Superintendant,


    29th March 1965
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  17. Captain Kernow

    Captain Kernow Western Thunderer

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  18. Paul Cambridge

    Paul Cambridge Western Thunderer

    Well done Tim! Your have created a silk purse from a sow’s ear. Been there, done that with a 7mm scale TRT 14xx.
  19. Captain Kernow

    Captain Kernow Western Thunderer

    I have started to run my second Hattons/DJM 14XX in (yes, I was stupid enough to fall for their sales ruse recently). This one has a top feed and will be 1420.

    Initial indications are not promising, though we still wait in hope at this stage.

    A Comet chassis kit is standing by.
  20. Geoff

    Geoff Western Thunderer

    The operation of these locomotives remains prohibited between Titley Junction and Presteign :eek:

    Dear Sir,

    I came across this notice in the evening edition of the 'Western Thunderer'.

    Has Mr Cuthbertson taken leave of his senses or has someone at Kington engine shed been a very naughty boy! ?

    The locomotives in question can often be found working the Cadburys Ford Bridge milk tank trains between Leominster and Llangunllo. They are however prohibited from entering siding No. 3 at Llanbister Rd. up yard.

    I await further clarification on this matter.

    Your Obedient Servant
    Percy Ballcock

    Senior Running Foreman Kington.
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