7mm Building a MMP Class 08 - question about the buffer beam

Spike

Spike

Western Thunderer
I have started my kit with the intention of building a model of an air or dual-brake version. The choice has been narrowed down to either 08 787 or 08 887, the period is to be mid-1980s. So far so good - until I got to the point where the instructions talk about drain/fillers under the footplate on the left hand side, noting that the supporting plate and twin cocks were not fitted to all engines.

Google has produced a photo of the LHS of 08 887 and that shows the valves - none of the Google views of 08 787 show the LHS.

Anyone know the purpose of these two drain cocks? Or if 08 787 was fitted with those items?

thank you, Peter
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Peter, No idea about the drain cocks you speak of, but I can ask the fitters when I next see them, might be a few weeks mind, until then feel free to avail yourself to my drop box collection of 08 images (near the bottom) in that they may show in detail the items under question.

Hope that helps
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Steph Dale said:
All you need is a good clear image as they will be labelled....
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[1] what if there is no photo of the LHS of the engine which has the lettering in focus?
[2] what if the writing is covered is grime and grunge?

A similar situation occurred with the drains for a Class 37... Brian Daniels (who drives the things) has commented more than once that he has no idea as to some of the fittings down below. We did find a Cl.37 which was accessible to us and I had to take a wet cloth to the bodywork to reveal what was written under the Precision Paint's Frame Dirt.... and even now I am no wiser as to what the mnemonic means!!!!!!!!!!!!

regards, Graham
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Steph Dale said:
Spike,

All you need is a good clear image as they will be labelled....

Steph
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Ok in which case it'll be these, oddly I do not have a detail shot of these in my collection, something that I will attend to on Thurs.
Img_1598.jpg

08 460 detail_02.JPG

There are two fuel tanks, the main tank the the service tank or header tank, it is customary to keep the header topped up and is part of the drivers duties as that is where the fuel is drawn from (gravity fed), however I understand some locos do not have a header tank and just have the main fuel tank from which fuel is drawn (pump fed) and thus no second drain. I can check this for certain when I next see the 'Traditional Traction' fitters. I suspect locos with only one drain will not have the fuel transfer pump just in front of the left rear sand box.
Img_1465.jpg

HTH
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
mickoo said:
Ok in which case it'll be these...
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Ooohh, yes please, thank you.

Nice to find one which has clean(ish) lettering. So now we know!

The second photo is quite interesting... most of the photos in which I can see the drain cocks have the handle to the right of the pipe - in the second photo one of the drain cocks has been reversed.

regards, Graham (on behalf of Peter)
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Graham,

From my photos

441, both handles to the rear
460, front handle fwd, rear handle to the rear
484, front handle fwd, rear handle to the rear
511, both handles to the rear
624, both handles to the rear
683, both handles to the rear
873, both handles to the rear

I don't have shots of 585 as she usually sits with the left side away from easily accessible areas but it'll be quiet the end of this week and certainly the start of next week so I'll see if I can find out their orientations. Actually she'll be on the fence these next two days so I can grab a shot from the public side (that'll be a novelty) whilst I walk off Xmas lunch :)

Note, the valve is mounted on a standard 4 bolt flange so can technically be mounted in any 90deg orientation, but left or right is the most sensible :) If you want a detail photo then let me know and I can add them here for y'all.

Kindest
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
mickoo said:
If you want a detail photo then let me know and I can add them here for y'all.
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Yes please... and the pipework around, under and over the rear sandbox / buffer plank. At least then we shall understand just what is there and then decide what to include and/or exclude.
 
Steph Dale

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
Dog Star said:
[1] what if there is no photo of the LHS of the engine which has the lettering in focus?
[2] what if the writing is covered is grime and grunge?

A similar situation occurred with the drains for a Class 37... Brian Daniels (who drives the things) has commenpted more than once that he has no idea as to some of the fittings down below. We did find a Cl.37 which was accessible to us and I had to take a wet cloth to the bodywork to reveal what was written under the Precision Paint's Frame Dirt.... and even now I am no wiser as to what the mnemonic means!!!!!!!!!!!!

regards, Graham
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Graham,
I'll have to (partially) concede the point. The items are indeed labelled, as Mick's photo shows. Only a representative of the type would therefore confirm the details and inscription. The real issue from a modelling perspective is surely where to source suitable lettering/inscriptions ?
Steph
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Steph Dale said:
The real issue from a modelling perspective is surely where to source suitable lettering/inscriptions ?
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Absolutely Steph, and that will be a necessary step at some point..

We had spent several hours searching the internet for class 08 images before posting the question about those drains... and not noticed any picture as clear as that provided by Mick.
 
Spike

Spike

Western Thunderer
This is not going as I expected.

I have added part 14a to the frames with the holes in part 14a aligned with the holes in the folded bufferbeam of part 1.

cl08 a.jpg

Part 14a has an etched foldline on the rear face, the drawings indicate that the fold is made with the foldline on the outside (rather than the inside) so there is a slight gap between the lip formed on part 14a and the footplate. Is this correct?

cl08 b.jpg

The next bit is to solder a rivet strip (part 16) on top of the lip formed by folding part 14a. Mick's dropbox photos of Class 08 show that the footplate is continuous over the angle iron (lip) with rivets through the footplate and angle iron (part 16). The lip of part 14a is taller than the footplate so adding the rivet strip is going to make a step in the footplate.

cl08 c.jpg

Have I done what is expected?

Is a step in the footplate intended?

Any ideas as to what to do next?

thanks. Peter.
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Pannier Tank said:
This photograph shows the "Electric Pump" that replaced the hand pump; note the pump and orange conduit just forward of the cab at roof level.
http://www.martinbray-ukloco.com/images/class08/08879-tinsleydepot-080588.jpg

This photograph shows the "blanking plate" where the "Electric Pump" would be fitted.
http://www.martinbray-ukloco.com/images/class08/08890-euston-201288.jpg
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Thanks David, it's all slowly coming back now, I'd been through all this once before but could not remember where or which forum, probably not this one it would seem :).

Kindest
 
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djparkins

Western Thunderer
Spike said:
This is not going as I expected.

I have added part 14a to the frames with the holes in part 14a aligned with the holes in the folded bufferbeam of part 1.

View attachment 16061

Part 14a has an etched foldline on the rear face, the drawings indicate that the fold is made with the foldline on the outside (rather than the inside) so there is a slight gap between the lip formed on part 14a and the footplate. Is this correct?

View attachment 16062

The next bit is to solder a rivet strip (part 16) on top of the lip formed by folding part 14a. Mick's dropbox photos of Class 08 show that the footplate is continuous over the angle iron (lip) with rivets through the footplate and angle iron (part 16). The lip of part 14a is taller than the footplate so adding the rivet strip is going to make a step in the footplate.

View attachment 16063

Have I done what is expected?

Is a step in the footplate intended?

Any ideas as to what to do next?

thanks. Peter.
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The gap between the buffer beams and parts 2 & 3 is there for when you flex & fit the outside frames [parts 29 & 49] later - as these items have outer fold-round back plates for the ends of the buffer beams and you need a gap to allow these flaps to fit between the folded down buffer beam and parts 2 or 3. You could fit these now [most people seem to think you should but I don't].

Also, I can see from your photos that parts 2 & 3 are fitted too far inwards as they are not central to the thickness of the brass at the point of the inset at the front of the running plate. They also seem distorted or not formed squarely but maybe that is the camera.

The rivetted strip atop the buffer beam does add .15mm to the height of the buffer beam - a compromise I thought worthwile for neatness. The gap between the buffer beam & overlay at the top should obviously be filled and smoothed [a process you will repeat several times in the course of the kit] but anyway is largely disguised by the fitting of the top rivetted strip [16].

DJP/MMP
 
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djparkins

Western Thunderer
BrushType4 said:
Would you fill with solder David or something else?
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I'm rather a super-fine [white] Milliput fan myself - since it also functions as an adhesive and can be sanded to such a glass-like finish 600-800-1200 wet & dry progressively - worked wet.

When it comes to things like cab details etc. - DO NOT do what I see most doing on these forums - fitting it all in place then trying to roughly mask off areas later. Make each sub-assembly and paint it then fit it into place after the inner walls have been painted. Evo-Stick - and especially their latest Evo-stik two part epoxy are brilliant adhesives.
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Dog Star said:
Yes please... and the pipework around, under and over the rear sandbox / buffer plank. At least then we shall understand just what is there and then decide what to include and/or exclude.
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Graham

IMG_6047b.JPG

PM for a link for the rest please so as to not dilute Peters thread.

Kindest
 
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