4mm Fun at DRAG

Nick Rogers

Western Thunderer
Greetings all,

I probably need to qualify the title of this thread, as I'm sure several people would cock their heads to one side and wonder what on earth DRAG has to do with railway modelling!

The Devon Riviera Area Group (DRAG) of the Scalefour Society meet twice a month at Holcombe village hall. We are all members of the Scalefour Society, and many of us, not all, model to P4 standards. A fair number of our band have various 00 efforts, as well as HO and P87 projects. Some do wear hairshirts, although this isn't a compulsory item of modelling clothing!

At present, we are in the process of building a replacement test track to replace our existing one, which is showing significant signs of ageing. Test Track 2 (TT2 -the current layout) was started about 17 years ago and has seen twice monthly use for about 16 years. One complete circuit is around 1 scale mile. The baseboards were made from MDF (a material we have found unsuitable for the Riviera climate), and as can be seen in photos and videos of the layout, most, if not all, the boards have developed a 'saucered' top, which isn't suitable for finescale stock. Some may argue a test track should have lumps and bumps in it to provide a shakedown for stock. However, the majority of us want a circuit were can run-in motive power and rolling stock, and not navigate an obsical course. Some of the baseboard joints on TT2 are gaps of between 4-5mm, and speaking as a professional railwayman, I would rather not go flying at 100mph over a gap in the rail of over 1ft and don't see a reason why my 4mm stock should either!

I thought it would be nice to share what we get up to. We are a talented and friendly lot and many of our members lurk amongst the pages of this forum, and indeed have their own layout treads on here, which I'm sure they would be happy to elaborate on.

As I mentioned above, Test Track 3 (TT3) is well under way and I'm sure Captain Kernow will be along shortly to share some track laying photos.

We decided to commission Tim Horn to produce our replacement baseboards from plywood. The new layout will be slightly smaller than TT2, with significantly lighter baseboards (the MDF ones really are like Dreadnaughts weight wise!). We are confident our new boards will be more than satisfactory for many years to come. We have decided to modify the original boards slightly to provide some better underframe protection.

Below are a few photos from last year showing the underside of the Tim Horn boards, with the late, great Brian Pearce making the finishing touches to the plywood protection pieces. We plan to use trestles and steel square lengths to rest the boards on. This framework should be reasonably easy to put up and provide a solid base to put the boards on.

The protection and strengthening of the boards is fairly straight forward. Various lengths of timber were cut and glued to the underside acting as a lip for 4mm ply to then be guled and nailed to. This, we hope, will prevent the crossmembers from becoming damaged and it helps to keep the boards straight by providing T and L shapes within the structure. The plywood strips were cut to shape using various templates Brian and I created. The boards have subsequently received 4 coats of varnish, on all visible surfaces to help keep the damp out.

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During the early months of 2024, we had a trial set up. It was felt by several of us that two straight boards and a length of 8ft (each straight board is 4ft long), wouldn't give longer trains enough of a run. Brian very kindly gifted the group the funds to purchase four additional straight boards, which I am currently building. So the set up below will have two additional straight boards down each side, giving us a 16ft straight run.

Minimum curve on the 00 is a little over 4ft, with a 4ft 6' radius curve running down the centre of the curved boards. Track laying is well underway, almost complete, and I'm sure Tim will add some photos in when he gets a minute.

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The steel underframe can be just about seen in this photo.

As well as meeting fortnightly, we also have Indulgence Days, which are essentially modelling days where members turn up with a project and have the company and support of their fellow model makers. These tend to fall on Saturdays.

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A photo from the last Indulgence Day showing a hive of activity. We do open these days up to other finescale modellers, so if you live locally and fancy attending one of our Indulgence Days, do send me a PM.

So that pretty much wraps up DRAG and what we do. In a future post, I'll put some videos up of TT2 in action.

Best wishes,

Nick.
 

Nick Rogers

Western Thunderer
I thought I would share some videos of stock being tested on TT2.

TT2 has four P4 and one 00 circuit. Two of the P4 circuits, tracks 2 and 3 (middle pair), have super elevated track work. This is quite a test for stock, and some stock doesn't like it at all. On TT3 (our new test track), we have decided not to use super elevation.

I recently converted a Heljan Hymek to P4 standards, using Ultrascale wheels. It was a doddle to perform.

Below are a series of clips showing the Hymek on running in trials on TT2 on the super elevated track. The freight stock is all my own work and is mostly kit-built, with many items having Ultrascale wheels and Masokits sprung w-irons. The 33 on track 2, and its train is also my work.



The next three clips show the stock running over a B7 cross-over from track 3 to 4.




You can see the failing baseboard tops and a number of fairly hideous joins in the clips, which is really why TT2 has come to the end of the line!
 

Pencarrow

Western Thunderer
Greetings all,

I probably need to qualify the title of this thread, as I'm sure several people would cock their heads to one side and wonder what on earth DRAG has to do with railway modelling!

The Devon Riviera Area Group (DRAG) of the Scalefour Society meet twice a month at Holcombe village hall. We are all members of the Scalefour Society, and many of us, not all, model to P4 standards. A fair number of our band have various 00 efforts, as well as HO and P87 projects. Some do wear hairshirts, although this isn't a compulsory item of modelling clothing!

At present, we are in the process of building a replacement test track to replace our existing one, which is showing significant signs of ageing. Test Track 2 (TT2 -the current layout) was started about 17 years ago and has seen twice monthly use for about 16 years. One complete circuit is around 1 scale mile. The baseboards were made from MDF (a material we have found unsuitable for the Riviera climate), and as can be seen in photos and videos of the layout, most, if not all, the boards have developed a 'saucered' top, which isn't suitable for finescale stock. Some may argue a test track should have lumps and bumps in it to provide a shakedown for stock. However, the majority of us want a circuit were can run-in motive power and rolling stock, and not navigate an obsical course. Some of the baseboard joints on TT2 are gaps of between 4-5mm, and speaking as a professional railwayman, I would rather not go flying at 100mph over a gap in the rail of over 1ft and don't see a reason why my 4mm stock should either!

I thought it would be nice to share what we get up to. We are a talented and friendly lot and many of our members lurk amongst the pages of this forum, and indeed have their own layout treads on here, which I'm sure they would be happy to elaborate on.

As I mentioned above, Test Track 3 (TT3) is well under way and I'm sure Captain Kernow will be along shortly to share some track laying photos.

We decided to commission Tim Horn to produce our replacement baseboards from plywood. The new layout will be slightly smaller than TT2, with significantly lighter baseboards (the MDF ones really are like Dreadnaughts weight wise!). We are confident our new boards will be more than satisfactory for many years to come. We have decided to modify the original boards slightly to provide some better underframe protection.

Below are a few photos from last year showing the underside of the Tim Horn boards, with the late, great Brian Pearce making the finishing touches to the plywood protection pieces. We plan to use trestles and steel square lengths to rest the boards on. This framework should be reasonably easy to put up and provide a solid base to put the boards on.

The protection and strengthening of the boards is fairly straight forward. Various lengths of timber were cut and glued to the underside acting as a lip for 4mm ply to then be guled and nailed to. This, we hope, will prevent the crossmembers from becoming damaged and it helps to keep the boards straight by providing T and L shapes within the structure. The plywood strips were cut to shape using various templates Brian and I created. The boards have subsequently received 4 coats of varnish, on all visible surfaces to help keep the damp out.

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During the early months of 2024, we had a trial set up. It was felt by several of us that two straight boards and a length of 8ft (each straight board is 4ft long), wouldn't give longer trains enough of a run. Brian very kindly gifted the group the funds to purchase four additional straight boards, which I am currently building. So the set up below will have two additional straight boards down each side, giving us a 16ft straight run.

Minimum curve on the 00 is a little over 4ft, with a 4ft 6' radius curve running down the centre of the curved boards. Track laying is well underway, almost complete, and I'm sure Tim will add some photos in when he gets a minute.

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The steel underframe can be just about seen in this photo.

As well as meeting fortnightly, we also have Indulgence Days, which are essentially modelling days where members turn up with a project and have the company and support of their fellow model makers. These tend to fall on Saturdays.

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A photo from the last Indulgence Day showing a hive of activity. We do open these days up to other finescale modellers, so if you live locally and fancy attending one of our Indulgence Days, do send me a PM.

So that pretty much wraps up DRAG and what we do. In a future post, I'll put some videos up of TT2 in action.

Best wishes,

Nick.

Do I spy a CK in that last photo??
 

ovener

Western Thunderer
Thanks for sharing that Nick. The new test track is looking very nice. I like the idea of the indulgence days!
Sadly although I'm down that way, I'm not able to join in as you know, but more power to your collective elbows.
Richard
 

Charon

Active Member
CK and I are doing the tracklaying with just the first phase of the straight boards to do.

It will be good to have a test track that will be 'pan flat' for a change!
 

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Captain Kernow

Western Thunderer
Back in the summer of 2024, we had a partial trial set-up at Holcombe with some of the steel support structure:
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Here are some photos of the trial set up of the steel framework later in the year, (the steelwork is all John's work), resting on the commercially-available trestles, in the small hall at Holcombe:
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The boards were then put on top of the supporting steelwork:
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You can see from the above arrangement, that the original planned configuration of TT3 would have resulted in a smaller overall run than the current TT2. The addition of two more straight boards each side (to be added after the planned commissioning of the smaller version - hopefully this summer) will result in an overall size closer to that which we currently have with TT2.
 
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Captain Kernow

Western Thunderer
As John (Charon) indicates above, he and I have been laying the track on TT3 over the last few months. Thanks to the generosity of the late Brian Pearce and his widow Jane, the group have been allowed to continue the use of Brian's shed, for the purpose of completing TT3. This is a huge boon, without which progress would probably have been a lot slower. Due to the constraints of life, The Universe and Everything, we currently manage one day a week for this. Apart from John and I doing track, we have Nick and Rod (Cameron) doing baseboard work (in some of the following photos). Not pictured is Dave Browne, who is responsible for the (DC) control set-up.

Here are some photos of the tracklaying in time-order, from early days last Winter to the most recent session last week:
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Captain Kernow

Western Thunderer
In summary, I think the point with regard to all this information about DRAG and our current and future test tracks is really to let other modellers living in the area know that we are there and to hopefully interest future potential members.

Our current membership is around 20 people all told, who live all over South Devon, West Devon, Mid-Devon and the Exeter area.

It's important to know that only around half of our members actually model in P4 and most of those also model in other scales and gauges as well. Some members only model in OO, which is absolutely fine. I think we are all members of the Scalefour Society and in the longer term, we would prefer that any new members join as well, but it's absolutely not a pre-requisite to joining us in the short term.

When we have TT2 up and running (which is most meetings), the OO circuit is the one most in demand, which is why we are providing two OO circuits on TT3.

The other thing that virtually all of us have in common is that we are modellers, we like making things, even if we don't necessarily use heavy machine tools like lathes or milling machines etc.

We meet every 2nd and 4th Monday at Holcombe Village Hall (just off the main road between Dawlish and Teignmouth) from 7pm to 10pm.

If you share our modelling philosophy and live in the wider area as mentioned above, do please consider coming along and seeing things in person. I would suggest that if you do wish to do so, perhaps you could PM me or Nick?

Many thanks.
 
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