Prototype GWR Fruit C's & D's & Other Brown Vehicles
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Pennine MC
Western Thunderer
It's an impostor, it's a BR built one
Pennine MC
Western Thunderer
Yeah, I dont think they are fussed by details like thatit a shame I didnt check for the dynamo at the time.
In the second shot it is interesting to note the gap between the angle iron and the body .
The angle would just give strength to the framing overall AFAIK, rather than being intended to retain the planking as such. I believe the BR ones did have electric lighting, maybe the switch was removed during body repairs (you may already know all this, of course).
Edit - yeah, the switch isnt something you'd miss:
http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/fruitd/h16cb3f54#h16cb3f54
and in that fourth shot of yours, I think you can see where it's been
Dave Bowden
Western Thunderer
Hi All I've decided to create a Galley thread on the above instead of adding to 'A new member'
I shall add others as I come across them from my photo collections.
Fruit C at the Gloucestershire & Warwickshire Rly built to Dia. Y9 in 1937/8 Lot 1606 No.s 2803-32
Fruit D taken at Tyseley Locomotive Works in October 2010.
Fruit D from the Gwilli Rly.
Taken at Kidderminster Station (SVR) is a Dia. Y2 Fruit (vac) built 1889-1900 from Lot 266 built at a later date, No's 2289-2400 (112)
Taken in the yard at Bridgnorth (SVR) is a Dia. Y3 Fruit C built 1911/12 from Lot 668 No's 79946-70 & 2401-25 this Lot were dual braked.
Taken at the GWS site at Didcot. This a Dia Y9 Fruit C built 1937/9 from Lot 1634 No's 2847-66 .
The Bloater is also from Didcot. This is a Dia. S10 built 1925/6 to Lot 1356 No's 2650-99
These two are from the SDR Dia. P18 Monster Lot No. 1265 Running No. 594. There is a discrepancy with No. 594 & Russell Coaches Vol 2 Apendix Lot list. I'm not convinced this is a P18 as they were Carriage Trucks (Giants) although 594 is the correct number for a P18. They were also fitted with gangway connections, this one is not so fitted.
Taken at the SDR. Tool Van to Dia. CC built in 1908 to Lot No. 579. There is a photo of 141 & 146 on page 499 of the new GWR Goods Wagons that has just been released. (Atkins/Beard & Tourret) The van next to the tool van is the Fruit D of Cynric pictures which starts this topic.
Taken again on my visit to Didcot this year. This has no information on it but I believe it to be a Dia. P19 (Covered Van) I've also include my 7mm model of same. This is from a DJB kit, no relation!
I shall add others as I come across them from my photo collections.
Fruit C at the Gloucestershire & Warwickshire Rly built to Dia. Y9 in 1937/8 Lot 1606 No.s 2803-32
Fruit D taken at Tyseley Locomotive Works in October 2010.
Fruit D from the Gwilli Rly.
Taken at Kidderminster Station (SVR) is a Dia. Y2 Fruit (vac) built 1889-1900 from Lot 266 built at a later date, No's 2289-2400 (112)
Taken in the yard at Bridgnorth (SVR) is a Dia. Y3 Fruit C built 1911/12 from Lot 668 No's 79946-70 & 2401-25 this Lot were dual braked.
Taken at the GWS site at Didcot. This a Dia Y9 Fruit C built 1937/9 from Lot 1634 No's 2847-66 .
The Bloater is also from Didcot. This is a Dia. S10 built 1925/6 to Lot 1356 No's 2650-99
These two are from the SDR Dia. P18 Monster Lot No. 1265 Running No. 594. There is a discrepancy with No. 594 & Russell Coaches Vol 2 Apendix Lot list. I'm not convinced this is a P18 as they were Carriage Trucks (Giants) although 594 is the correct number for a P18. They were also fitted with gangway connections, this one is not so fitted.
Taken at the SDR. Tool Van to Dia. CC built in 1908 to Lot No. 579. There is a photo of 141 & 146 on page 499 of the new GWR Goods Wagons that has just been released. (Atkins/Beard & Tourret) The van next to the tool van is the Fruit D of Cynric pictures which starts this topic.
Taken again on my visit to Didcot this year. This has no information on it but I believe it to be a Dia. P19 (Covered Van) I've also include my 7mm model of same. This is from a DJB kit, no relation!
and thanks to Phill for merging the threads and bringing Cynric's pictures back to our attention.
West Junction
Western Thunderer
Hi Simon
Here are couple of photos of my WEP 7mm Fruit D built as the kit apart from sprung buffers and original Exactoscale sprung W irons.
Here are a couple of a 7mm Perseverance Y2
Haven't got the nerve to weather them.
Here are couple of photos of my WEP 7mm Fruit D built as the kit apart from sprung buffers and original Exactoscale sprung W irons.
Here are a couple of a 7mm Perseverance Y2
Haven't got the nerve to weather them.
Dave Bowden
Western Thunderer
Hi to all, I've updated the information on my photos added some more and done some corrections.
Dave Bowden
Western Thunderer
Hi All
Whilst searching for photos for a topic on RMweb for Fruit D's I came across another photo of one at Tyseley, this was next to the one I'd already posted (W3461W) which says it's a D where as this doesn't, but the number 2342 is listed in the GWR E-list to Dia. Y1, Lot 638 built in 1892.
W3461W is a BR built one in 1955 still to a GW Dia. Y11 and Lot 1780.
Dave
Whilst searching for photos for a topic on RMweb for Fruit D's I came across another photo of one at Tyseley, this was next to the one I'd already posted (W3461W) which says it's a D where as this doesn't, but the number 2342 is listed in the GWR E-list to Dia. Y1, Lot 638 built in 1892.
W3461W is a BR built one in 1955 still to a GW Dia. Y11 and Lot 1780.
Dave
mth
Western Thunderer
According to the VCT it was built in 1952
http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=133
Dave Bowden
Western Thunderer
Dave Bowden
Western Thunderer
Hi All
I now have copies of the Preserved Wagons & Coaches as listed on the GWR E-List web site.
I have spent quite a lot of time working on the Wagons List initially in between painting our two upstairs bedrooms.
There is a lot more involved than I first thought! For cross referencing I've been using the Vintage Carriage Trusts List (VCT) the (813) Groups web site and the new GW Goods Wagons book. I also just bought another reference book 'Preserved Railway Carriages' by John Lloyd & Murray Brown, this book is recommended by Bill Parker of WEP Models. This book also covers the Brown Vehicles giving the following, 'running No,s , year, type, built, diag, lot, location, although this may now not be correct.
At the back it gives all regions Preserved Departmental Stock numbers and origin, e.g 150027 GWR Siphon.G 2790. etc.
I started off working through the (813) Groups List, 85 Wagon items. There is now a lot of alterations in Red on the E-Lists Wagons sheets. (14 pages) I shall start on the GWS Didcot stock list next then continue with Heritage sites that give their stock lists.
These stock list are Great Western only I'm afraid!
Dave
David Halfpenny
Western Thunderer
Dave,
Thank you for those crisp Brown Vehicle photos - gosh, where did the last ten years go ?
I'd like to ask about your Monster pictures from Totnes, because I'm building a G1 model of that very CCT when it was a mobile shoe shop at P'Talbot Steelworks:
Sorry about the distant view: it's the best I've found.
Modelling in a largish scale makes it harder to fudge those details one hasn't understood. After several days of browsing books and websites, I think I've got my head round everything above the solebar, except the long locking bolt at each end:
Can anyone tell me how it works, please?
It seems to enter a catch-plate under the roof, sliding through sockets in the ends of the flap hinges, but I can't see what lifts and lowers it, or what latches it up or down.
The mechanism at the bottom end seems to be more elaborate than what I can glimpse on photos of other Monsters, and is also hidden behind a chain (that stops the nearer T-shaped door chock from going AWOL).As Dave's pair of photos are taken from slightly different viewpoints, I've already learned a lot from squinting at them both at once through a stereoscope:
(I'm also puzzled by the mechanism at the tops of the doors, but as I'm not planning opening doors, I can just imitate their appearance without needing to know how it works. All the same, if anyone does know, I'd be grateful to hear
)Thanks, David
simond
Western Thunderer
It appears to me that the vertical round bar is simply a very long bolt and it is pushed into a socket/staple on the edge of the vehicle roof. I can't make out how the bolt is fixed at the lower end.
The two parts shaped like upside down "T" appear to be fixed to the doors, and have a hole which engages in a pin on the edge of the roof. This will prevent "racking" - ie the body sides going away from vertical - when subject to dynamic loads.
The two parts shaped like upside down "T" appear to be fixed to the doors, and have a hole which engages in a pin on the edge of the roof. This will prevent "racking" - ie the body sides going away from vertical - when subject to dynamic loads.
David Halfpenny
Western Thunderer
Yes, that all fits, thanks, Simon.
Good thinking! Four less things to worry about
There were two versions of the "T", with the early ones curved to follow the roof arc, while BR-era ones were straight.
David