7mm Kits for Freightliner Flats - FFA / FGA

[mickoo]

That was...and still is, right in the middle of Trinity rail terminal, no one seems to know why it's there, but it is right in the middle of the operational area, the contractors who own (we suspect) it are doing crane rail repairs on Sundays, we think they have their gear in there, jacks, power tools, grinders, welders etc, the only argument against that is that the doors are locked with a tamper proof one shot lock (attached), i.e. it's applied once, to remove you snap it off, not the sort of lock you fit if your using it to store tools, a padlock would be better. The sort of lock fitted is used on all ocean going boxes.

Whilst snooping around last night I noted some more clutter from where the box had come and found I bundle of Oleo buffers, the sort used ironically on FFA/FFG wagons and a perfect fit for a class 20 too. I tried to pick one up, I tried so very hard, but it would not move LOL.



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[BrushType4]

Whilst snooping around last night I noted some more clutter from where the box had come and found I bundle of Oleo buffers, the sort used ironically on FFA/FFG wagons and a perfect fit for a class 20 too. I tried to pick one up, I tried so very hard, but it would not move LOL.

I have thought one or two of these nestled in the flower beds would look good, kinda like fossilised mushrooms.

That's about as close as SWMBO would let me sneek in any railway related stuff into the garden

 

[iploffy]

That was...and still is, right in the middle of Trinity rail terminal, no one seems to know why it's there, but it is right in the middle of the operational area, the contractors who own (we suspect) it are doing crane rail repairs on Sundays, we think they have their gear in there, jacks, power tools, grinders, welders etc, the only argument against that is that the doors are locked with a tamper proof one shot lock (attached), i.e. it's applied once, to remove you snap it off, not the sort of lock you fit if your using it to store tools, a padlock would be better. The sort of lock fitted is used on all ocean going boxes.

Whilst snooping around last night I noted some more clutter from where the box had come and found I bundle of Oleo buffers, the sort used ironically on FFA/FFG wagons and a perfect fit for a class 20 too. I tried to pick one up, I tried so very hard, but it would not move LOL.

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You know the score use what ever come easiest to hand all the better if it don't cost you anything either

 

[mickoo]

Well the aforementioned box has gone, had a look around the contractors sites dotted all over the place, not to be seen, so no idea where its gone. Sadly also no FFA or FGA wagons present again and we have an unusually high number stored over the weekend, wagons on every piece of spare track we have, gonna be busy busy busy tomorrow morning .

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[Dog Star]

Getting back to the original reason for this thread... anyone made the PRMRP kit? or any comments on how the Buzz Models kit goes together?

Here is a photograph of the bogie which comes with the Buzz Models kit:-




What is the type /name of this bogie?

What is the approximate period during which this bogie could be found under a FFA / FGA flat?

What is the brake arrangement? (blocks on tread? pads on disc on face of wheel? pads on disc on axle?)

thank you, Graham

 

[Pugsley]

I'm not sure what they're supposed to be. Either a poor rendition of the Ride Control Mk3 bogie, or they could be the Davies and Lloyd 'Ridemaster' type as mentioned here (I'm not sure what those look like):
http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_018.php

Either way, they should be disc braked.

(ps - if you want to see the ultimate FFA/FGA kit look here: http://colincraig4mm.co.uk/#/ffafga-kit/4532599037 sadly, 4mm scale only)

 

[mth]

Graham
They are a representation of the Ride master type fitted to early flats.
Most carried them till the end. Buzz was ment to be doing a etch to cover all verents.
Brakes are disc on the wheels Not done for this kit as they are fitted with smaller wheeles.

P.M. me if you want more info on the Buzz kit as it was me who did the test build and instructions.

 

[Dog Star]

"Life and Times - Freightliner" (Collins, OPC, 1991) tells us that the production FFA/FGA flats were fitted with several different styles of bogies:-
* Ridemaster with disc brakes on the wheels (batch I vehicles);
* Ridecontrol (BR2M - mkI and mkII) with disc brakes on the axles (batch II vehicles);
* Freightliner F/L1 with disc brakes on the axle (batch II and batch III vehicles);
* Ridecontrol (BR2M - mkIII) with disc brakes on the wheels (batch III vehicles).

I think that I can identify a Ridemaster bogie and a F/L1 bogie in the photographs in the book.... as yet I have no idea as to the appearance of a Ridecontrol bogie... nor any idea of the differences between the different marks of this style of bogie.

Who can offer information (drawing / photographs) to assist in identifying Freightliner flats with the different types of bogies?

In passing, the referenced book states "Two hundred and sixteen vehicles with F/L1 bogies were to have their numbers increased... although ultimately a total of 243 wagons were identified". The two totals given in the quote do not match the number of flats built with F/L1 bogies as given in Table 3, page 94, of the book. This "confusion" suggests that (a) more F/L1 bogies were built than were required for the wagon orders and (b) bogie swapping was probable. Any one throw any light on this puzzle?

regards, Graham

 

[mickoo]

These might help, they're not under FFA/FGA but YKA's seen today on an engineering train, they are Ride control bogies with clasp brakes, best I could do at this location I'm afraid.



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[Dog Star]

The Buss Models FFA / FGA kit has been done... after much work on straightening the castings for the body, not an easy task and one which took several hours for one wagon. The assembled body looks the part.

As a comparison, Son has started on a PRMRP kit for the FFA / FGA, this kit uses brass etch for the body whereas the BM kit uses whitemetal - there is a serious difference in weight of the two bodies ands that is important if modelling a prototype 5-wagon set.

Thinking about replacing the bogies of both kits as none of the parts are cast as cleanly as I would like. However, I have not been able to find any replacements - anyone any ideas of possible sources for the Ridecontrol or Ridemaster bogies in 7mm?

regards, Graham

 

[Pugsley]

These might help, they're not under FFA/FGA but YKA's seen today on an engineering train, they are Ride control bogies with clasp brakes, best I could do at this location I'm afraid.

Those are a different type of ride control bogie - they're US ones (hence the ASF - American Steel Foundries) introduced to the UK by EWS. The Davies and Lloyd ones had a longer wheelbase.

Graham - I think you'll struggle to get replacement bogies of the right type - they weren't very widely used. In fact, other than the Freightliner sets, I can't think of anything else that used them.

 

[mickoo]

Those are a different type of ride control bogie - they're US ones (hence the ASF - American Steel Foundries) introduced to the UK by EWS. The Davies and Lloyd ones had a longer wheelbase.

Graham - I think you'll struggle to get replacement bogies of the right type - they weren't very widely used. In fact, other than the Freightliner sets, I can't think of anything else that used them.

Didn't now that LOL, lets try these then .

 

[Dog Star]

Didn't now that LOL, lets try these then...

Not sure about this... those bogies look like Ride Control. I think that they are not FL/1, not sure if they asre Ride Master.

Martin, I came to the same conclusion about suppliers.

Mick, any more photos of that wagon?

regards, Graham

OOopps, just enlarged Mick's image and the words "Ride Control" appear over the spring plank.

 

[mickoo]

Graham, I do, but I think you already have them? I'm sure I have uploaded them here before, I'll do a DropBox folder tonight for y'all . I'm sure they are Freightliner 1st generation as it is preserved at York NRM.

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