LSWR/GER early open wagon

Jon Nazareth

Jon Nazareth

Western Thunderer
I'm going to split these wagons up as it will make all slightly less confusing.
Before taking the pictures, I did look up this wagon again and the book says that the Metropolitan drawing of 1863 has LSWR clearly written on it. It does go on to say that some of these wagons were built for the GER.

So far, I've made the floor and underframe for this wagon. The holes have all been drilled for the W irons and various other bolts along the side of the sole plate. I'll probably make up the ends next as these are more demanding than the sides. I did start off by fixing the floor to wrong side of the frame but noticed that the holes in the sole plate didn't look quite right. I managed to prize the floor free, clean it up and fix it the right way up. More haste and less speed should have been the by word(s) for the day.

Jon

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Jon Nazareth

Jon Nazareth

Western Thunderer
This is an interesting one.
As far as I can make out, the drawing on the left states that the height of the side is 2' 3" from the underside of the floor yet, the drawing on the right states that the height is 2' 3" from top of the floor.
It would make more sense to have the height 2' 3" from the underside of the floor as this would make the planks each 6" wide. Anyone with better eyes than mine may read the drawing differently.

Jon

P.S. There is a larger picture in the thread, Early LSWR Wagons. Not sure why this one didn't come out the same size.

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Rob R

Rob R

Western Thunderer
Jon,
I would go with top of the floor as well.
The text says from the top of the floor, the dimension for the raised end is 4' 0" from the top of the floor and as you say, it makes sense with the plank widths.
A simple draughtsman's error designed to catch us out 160 years later. :)
 
Mike W

Mike W

Western Thunderer
Top of floor would be useful to calculate the size of the load space in relation to the consignment. Nobody would be interested in bottom of floor dimension (except the builders). So I'd go with Rob.R - top of floor.

Mike
 
Jon Nazareth

Jon Nazareth

Western Thunderer
This is a picture of one of the ends. My intention was to have all of my fixings as mechanical ones and this shows a start. The idea was to use dome headed 16 BA screws with 16 BA nuts and washers. I have some nuts a few washers but no dome head machine screws. My usual supplier didn't have any and I couldn't find any on line. In fact, my normal supplier of fixings said that if I found any, could I let him know. Thinking next turned to 16 BA nuts and bolts but nothing doing there. I then thought that I would switch to metric and had a count up of needs for the High Ended wagon. I chose that one as it had the higher count of fixings. Looking at one of the sites that sells small fixings starting at 0.6 mm, I worked out that I would need to spend somewhere in the region of £335.00 on nuts, bolts and washers for the one wagon!
The fixings in the picture are countersunk screws with nuts and washers. In the past, I've used a domed brass rivet and then opened out a 16 BA nut and slid it over finally finishing with a dab of super glue. Its a bit messy but doable. trouble is, I'm not sure if i want to go down that road.
What do other folk do?

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michael mott

michael mott

Western Thunderer
Jon do the fixings actually hold the parts together or are they glued? if they are held together with the fixings then you could just use one at each end and infill with the fake ones. if the parts are glued together then I would think that it would be possible to use some hex styrene and whip up some nuts and washers and glue them on it would be far less costly in coin but probably more costly in time. Once painted who can tell.

Michael
 
Jon Nazareth

Jon Nazareth

Western Thunderer
Michael
A bit of both really. I shall use the fixings to hold the parts and then run a bit of mek-pak along the edges as a belt and braces thing. There are a lot of straps especially on the high ended wagon. Although I won't need washers against the metal, I do like to use proper nuts. I think that trying to cut 16 BA size nuts from hexagonal styrene for me would be practically impossible. As Mr Micawber used to say, "Something will turn up".

Jon
 
NickB

NickB

Western Thunderer
Jon,

Grandt Line do moulded plastic fittings, including rivets (for the dome heads) and bolt-washer-nut combinations, both in various sizes. You might be able to use a combination of the two.

Nick
 
Jon Nazareth

Jon Nazareth

Western Thunderer
Jon Nazareth said:
Nick
Thank you for that, I'll take a look at their website.

Jon
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Nick
I've looked at their website and there may be something that I could use, Code 16, but they don't seem to include many nut/bolt/washer items. I tried looking in the UK but couldn't find anything apart from Cambrian and I have some of theirs.

Jon
 
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jakesdad13

New Member
Jon Nazareth said:
Nick
I've looked at their website and there may be something that I could use, Code 16, but they don't seem to include many nut/bolt/washer items. I tried looking in the UK but couldn't find anything apart from Cambrian and I have some of theirs.

Jon
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Hi Jon, I think EDM models took over the Grandt Line range of fasteners.

Cheers, Pete.
 
Jon Nazareth

Jon Nazareth

Western Thunderer
Thanks to everyone who has sent in suggestions over this predicament.
Pete
I looked up EDM Models and they do seem to sell the Grandt Line range at least, they look the same and the descriptions are the same. With the Grandt Line website, they state what the size is across the flats of the nuts which is a big help. EDM Models don't do this and I'm hopeless at working out the full scale sizes as Ian T will testify. I'm almost past the stage where I'll be looking for more nuts and bolts. However, I've ordered from HMRS a drawing of an SER bullion wagon and I may have to use the fittings from EDM for that. Apparently the drawing is on it's way and I'll post more information when it arrives.
Of course, I could always go up a scale and nuts, bolts and washers would be freely available, the problem there would be storage. I have 32 wagons, two coaches and three locos which take up a lot of space as it is!

Jon
 
Jon Nazareth

Jon Nazareth

Western Thunderer
I've plodded on and here is the result so far. There is no undercarriage and I've darkened it right down in an attempt to dull down the whiteness of the styrene. I've yet to fix on the springs, alter the axleboxes and sort out the wheels. I took two pictures but couldn't make up my mind which to post so, I've included them both. Once again, there are mistakes.

Jon

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