7mm Newton Chambers Car Carriers

Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Who knows about the condemnation dates for these vehicles?

Specifically, I wish to select a number for an example with the offset roof lights - as in Brian's initial post - and extant in the late 1980s.

thanks, Graham
 
mth

mth

Western Thunderer
According to my 1984 edition Platform 5 Coaching Stock Pocket Book only E96290, 96291, 96294, 96295, 97297, 96298 and 96299 were left in service.
By the 1986 Spring Edition only 96290, 96291, 96294, 96295 and 96299 still in service.

Hope that helps (probbaly not as they are from the latter built batch:()
 
demu1037

demu1037

Western Thunderer
Hi Graham,

My 1988 edition gives the build/lot details- dia NV501, lot 30664, ETH 0 or 0x, but doesn't list any surviving vehicles. No entry in the 1989 edition

Regards

Andy
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
mth said:
Hope that helps (probbaly not as they are from the latter built batch:()
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Yes that helps... By telling me that there was more than one build.

Given what you and Andy have written, can either of you advise which vehicles had the offset roof lights.

Regards
Graham
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Ok, ok, ambiguous question on my part.

What I was trying to ask is this:- "what were the running numbers of those vehicles which were built with offset roof lights?".

Moving on, Peter has been building the bogies and he has reached the point where axles get put in bearings. The bearings look as if suitable for pin-points whilst the wheelsets (supplied by Westdale and manufactured by Peartree) have a plain journal with a domed end... the bore of the bearing is greater than the journal diameter and hence the wheelset is loose in the bearing.

A question for those who have built or are building this kit - what style of bearing / journal has been provided with your kit? How would you describe the fit of axle in bearing?

thanks, Graham
 
ZiderHead

ZiderHead

Western Thunderer
Not sure if this helps but these are the 2.5mm O/D plain bearings Peartree supply to fit their domed/straight journals:

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Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
I spoke to Mr. Taylor (Westdale) today about the axles and bearings which are supplied with the kit. The bearings and Wayoh bogie etchings came via Invertrain whilst the wheelsets came from Peartree - which explains why we have pin-point bearings for dome end, parallel journal, axles.

In passing, Mr. Taylor advised that he is attending the Reading Trade show in December this year and the Bristol Show in January 2015... and then taking a year off to build some stock for himself.
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Dog Star said:
Who knows about the condemnation dates for these vehicles? Specifically, I wish to select a number for an example with the offset roof lights and extant in the late 1980s.
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Earlier this week I spoke to Dick Taylor about which vehicles had offset lights / central lights as he showed me some prototype information when we bought the kit at Telford. As of now, his understanding is that vehicles 96286-96288 had offset lights... nothing is known about 96289 or 96290... and the remainder seem to have had central lights. What is not known is if the change took place during building or later in life.

I posted a question about the build dates on the BR Coaching Stock Forum and received a response from a fellow WTer. The build / condemn dates are listed in the Longworth book about Mk1. and Mk.2 carriages, published last year. I have been sent a scan of a page from a Cheona publication which illustrates 96299 at Inverness in 1980, this is a picture which is not "found" by a search engine.

So at the moment we need to invoke "Rule 1" in that we have a vehicle with offset lights, to be painted blue grey, and to be run with a class 37/4 which was "built" in the late 1980s :oops: .
 
oldravendale

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Dog Star said:
a class 37/4 which was "built" in the late 1980s :oops: .
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Mike,

In all ignorance I ask this question.

Once steam locos had all gone in 1968 my interest in the prototype wained so I have very little knowledge of diesels or electric locos. However, my interest has been stimulated by seeing some fascinating blue threads on here. In this case you refer to the 37/4 being "built" in the late 1980s. Is this a rebuild of an existing class 37? I ask because I remember seeing D6700 at Stratford in about 1963, so a new build of the same class some 25 years later seems unlikely.

If it is a rebuild how does this manifest itself?

If this develops it should be moved to Prototypes, but I suspect it's a quick answer and I hope it's OK to hijack the thread.

Brian
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
oldravendale said:
In this case you refer to the 37/4 being "built" in the late 1980s. Is this a rebuild of an existing class 37?
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Yes.

When the class was built the numbers were in the form "D67xx" and similar. After the introduction of TOPS the numbering became "37xxx" where "xxx" was in the approximate range 001 to 300. Life was great until the mid 1980s when BR and the sectors concluded that a re-furbishment programme would benefit the class and so many of the Cl.37 remaining at that time toddled off to works and got re-built; of interest to us are the engines which gained Electric Train Heat alongside of a change from generator to alternator, these engines became a new sub-class of "37/4" with numbers like 37401... Other re-build variations at that time gave us sub-classes 37/3... 37/5... 37/9... .

A visible part of the rebuild was the adoption of visually attractive liveries with weird great names, such as Large Logo Blue.

Most of what you might like to know can be found in Modern Locos Illus. No.171... or search for the Class 37 Group and similar phrases.

Best to lie down with a hot drink and some paracetemol.

regards, Graham
 
oldravendale

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Dog Star said:
of interest to us are the engines which gained Electric Train Heat alongside of a change from generator to alternator, these engines became a new sub-class of "37/4" with numbers like 37401... Other re-build variations at that time gave us sub-classes 37/3... 37/5... 37/9... .Graham
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Thanks Graham.

As clear as mud! But seriously, I now have the hang of it and I'm grateful for your data. I'm still confused but at a much higher level.

Brian
 
mth

mth

Western Thunderer
Dog Star,
why dont you fill in the old sky lights and, put them in the mid position?
You dont need to make a new hole just stick the surrounds in the correct place.
 
Spike

Spike

Western Thunderer
Work on fitting the castings to the ends has raised a question. or three.

There are no castings for vacuum or steam heat bags - what products are recommended by WTers?

I have seen a photo on @paul bartlett 's wagon website which shows that these vehicles had acquired ETH cables and air brakes by mid 1980s.

What products are recommended by WTers for those items?

For the air brakes the above photo shows only the yellow coupling (main air pipe?)...where these vehicles fitted with a reservoir pipe?

Thank you, Peter
 
mth

mth

Western Thunderer
Spike said:
Work on fitting the castings to the ends has raised a question. or three.

There are no castings for vacuum or steam heat bags - what products are recommended by WTers?

I have seen a photo on @paul bartlett 's wagon website which shows that these vehicles had acquired ETH cables and air brakes by mid 1980s.

What products are recommended by WTers for those items?

For the air brakes the above photo shows only the yellow coupling (main air pipe?)...where these vehicles fitted with a reservoir pipe?

Thank you, Peter
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Hi Spike,
You could try JLTRT loco pipes.

In the kit i'm building the ETH cables are present.
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as can be seen on the buffer beam. If not they come in the JLTRT pack.

Being passenger rated they would have 2 air pipes, Main res (yellow) and Brake (red)

Have a look at http://80srail.zenfolio.com/p904823333 there are somemore end photo.

Hope this helps
 
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