7mm Newton Chambers Car Carriers

Dog Star

Dog Star

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A question for those who have built the kit... the instructions are rather terse in regard to joining body and underframe, so how did you join the body and floor?

The ends have a ledge on the inside and that would be a starting point for locating the floor excepting that the buffers (supplied) and coupling hooks (not supplied) project beyond the rear of the ends and are at a level which is below the floor of the underframe. As things are at this time the buffers and couplings cannot be fitted until the floor is in place - or do WTers have a cunning plan which might involve slots / cutouts in the floor?

If the ledge at the rear of the ends does rest on the floor... then maybe a couple of self-tapping screws can be used to secure body and floor. Thoughts? Comments?

thank you, Graham
 
Brian Daniels

Brian Daniels

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I made the rear of the bufferbeam one end flush apart from the buffers securing screws. I filed a slot in the floor to clear the two buffer screws. The opposite end slots in first under the buffer screws and odd spigots and then this modified end slots in over the screws on the rear of the bufferbeam. It's all secured with the supplied self tappers. Hope that's clear! I will take a picture shortly. Mine is now blue and grey and looks very nice.
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

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Thank you Brian.

Are you going to include the white patches that were on the sides and adjacent to the ends? Any idea as to what these patches signify?
 
Brian Daniels

Brian Daniels

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I probably will add these patches. They go back to the days when they were supposed to go over to Europe. Are you doing an ETH wired one or steam heat like mine?
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

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Brian Daniels said:
Are you doing an ETH wired one or steam heat like mine?
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We are pushing history a bit here. So ETH and air brake as shown in some photos that have been referenced from this site. Definitely pushing history by having one or two in the mid 1980s in Scotland.
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

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I have my reservations about securing the body and floor by self-tapping screws through the MDF floor into the resin ends, just seems wrong. So here is an alternative - using 6BA bolts through the floor into brass cross-members with tapped holes.

First, make some fittings to go into the body. A piece of 1/16" brass flat from when such things were de rigeur for 4mm loco frames and some etch waste bent into L-angle. Repeat for four sets of parts.
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Second, solder the L-angles to the strip - I stuck two pieces of MDF together as a simples jig for this task.
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And here is one I made earlier.
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As these cross-members are in the area of the turn-under the upright part of the angles needs to be "formed" to fit the internal shape of the body.
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Four sets of parts makes four cross-members and here are those items secured into the bodyshell, I used Devcon for the job. The flat plates were set in the same plane as the ledges on the back of the ends - the ledges being where Westdale intended the MDF floor to be attached.
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The supplied MDF floor is to be shortened to clear the nuts of the buffer rams and the coupling hooks... and then drilled for the eight 6BA bolts.
 
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OzzyO

OzzyO

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Dog Star said:
We are pushing history a bit here. So ETH and air brake as shown in some photos that have been referenced from this site. Definitely pushing history by having one or two in the mid 1980s in Scotland.
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Hello Dog Star,

your not pushing history to much as I did see some of these in Edinburgh in the 1980s.
ETH index 0, dual braked, steam piped & electric wired.

According to my Platform 5 for 1985 the following were in service. E96290/1/4/5/9
According to my Platform 5 for 1988 the following were in service, E96294/9.

So you could use them Perth, Inverness, Edinburgh. But only on the eastern side.

OzzyO.
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

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OzzyO said:
According to my Platform 5 for 1985 the following were in service. E96290/1/4/5/9
According to my Platform 5 for 1988 the following were in service, E96294/9.
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Ah yes, this is just where we are pushing history!

We have a kit with offset roof lights - like the model built by Brian - and that is not suitable for E96291/4/5/9. One day I hope to find a photo of E96290 and that the photo shows this as being a vehicle with offset rooflights.
 
mickoo

mickoo

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I must confess I am tempted by a couple of these later this year, but in BR maroon.

Nice models shown so far :thumbs:
 
Ressaldar

Ressaldar

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mickoo said:
I must confess I am tempted by a couple of these later this year, but in BR maroon.

Nice models shown so far :thumbs:
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Hi Mick,

don't leave it too long before you contact Dick Taylor at Westdale, he stated at the end of last year that he was going to take a twelve month break from 'supplying' so that he could concentrate on some modelling - starting around March I think.

cheers

Mike
 
Brian Daniels

Brian Daniels

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Finished! Well apart from one Heljan loco coupling one end when I can get hold of one. I am using these as they are in the style of UIC couplings and they are long which you need with Markits buffers.

Those roof lights were a bit of a pain to insert. They are the supplied tracing paper which look ok but when Kristal Klear touched it it got a bit of a kink in it with the water content I think. Anyway they have sort of flattened out ok and now the glue has dried off it does not show too much. Anyway it should be weathered with lots of browns and blacks especially on the ends. I was wondering if the bufferbeam would be black or blue but I can't find a picture of one with a colour other than crud colour! I changed the Motorail and arrow Methfix transfer for Pressfix ones as the Methfix ones had a fare bit of carrier film with it which did not look very nice, it might have blended in with the varnishing but I thought I would not take the chance seeing as I had the Pressfix transfers. I noted from Kier Hardey's web site that the pictures of this one had two OHL flashes on one end and one on the other hence why I did this on my model.

Forgot to say the white lining is HMRS Pressfix.

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Dog Star

Dog Star

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Very nice Brian, we know now what our model ought to look like.

I cannot decide from available photos - which end are the handwheels for the brakes?

a) both sides and always to the right.
b) both sides and always at the same end.
c) one side only and on the right.

I ask because I have not seen a prototype photo where the handwheel is at the left hand end.

For completeness, same question in regard of the label plate which, when visible in photos, seems to be always at the left hand end.
 
Brian Daniels

Brian Daniels

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Soldering iron is warming up to swap a label clip and handbrake over, oh well :confused: God knows why I had it my head they were at the same end, I blame it on old age and having too many different things on the go at once!

There is nothing on the bodies to indicate one end or the other is there.
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Brian Daniels said:
Soldering iron is warming up to swap a label clip and handbrake over, oh well :confused: God knows why I had it my head they were at the same end, I blame it on old age and having too many different things on the go at once!

There is nothing on the bodies to indicate one end or the other is there.
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Brian - you could be correct, just I have not seen any photo with either the wagon label at the RH end or the brake wheel at the LH end. After all, given how few photos there are of these beasts and that most of the photos are of vehicles alongside of platforms then maybe most of the photos do show just one side.
 
mickoo

mickoo

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Ressaldar said:
Hi Mick,

don't leave it too long before you contact Dick Taylor at Westdale, he stated at the end of last year that he was going to take a twelve month break from 'supplying' so that he could concentrate on some modelling - starting around March I think.

cheers

Mike
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Mike,

Thanks for the heads up, later in the year is fine by me, the domestic authorities having decided that other matters would be a better idea! ;)
 
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