Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
Hi Graham
in the Flickr search engine type in E92691 or better still E96290 and presto
cheers
Mike
7mm Newton Chambers Car Carriers
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Hi Graham
in the Flickr search engine type in E92691 or better still E96290 and presto
cheers
Mike
Dog Star
Western Thunderer
Mike,
Is the Flickr search engine at www.flickr.com?
Do I need to "sign in"?
If yes and no... then using E96291 in the search box, when at the highest level of Flickr, does not find anything.
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Locomodels
Western Thunderer
Graham,
Just tried it. It worked for me with E92690, but for E92691 it found nothing.
Just tried it. It worked for me with E92690, but for E92691 it found nothing.
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
Hi Brian,
Yes and Yes - I assumed that you already had an 'account' - search box in top right hand corner
cheers
Mike
Dog Star
Western Thunderer
I was talking to Rob Pulham last night and between us we worked out how to use the search facility without having a Flickr account - so I was able to use the search to locate E96290... and others which seemed familiar pikkies (maybe because some appear on the Hornsey EM web pages).
As to a number for our model, we shall have to choose from those prior to '90' and accept that the model is out of the time frame for the rest of the BR-Blue stuff (earliest 1985).
As to a number for our model, we shall have to choose from those prior to '90' and accept that the model is out of the time frame for the rest of the BR-Blue stuff (earliest 1985).
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OzzyO
Western Thunderer
Hello Graham, all,
looking at the photo on flickr both (290 & 291) of them are showing sidelights on the roof and hand brakes and chalk board at the R/H end, the few photo that I've seen of these vehicles all show the same. So is it possible that they had sidelights on both sides? Looking at the flickr photo it shows that both vehicles have two small white flashes at both ends the same as in the photo below, in the Parkin book it shows one in maroon from the non-handbraked end showing the same (286 IIRC). I not sure if all the photos of these vehicles would have only been photod from one side.
I've just had a quick look in Parkin's book on MK1s and these vehicles only get a small mention, but what he says is that some of them were in the wagon fleet as tierwag. So could these be the ones with no roof lights or centre roof lights?
So maybe we need Paul B. to get involved with some of his wagon photos.
Interesting.
OzzyO.
looking at the photo on flickr both (290 & 291) of them are showing sidelights on the roof and hand brakes and chalk board at the R/H end, the few photo that I've seen of these vehicles all show the same. So is it possible that they had sidelights on both sides? Looking at the flickr photo it shows that both vehicles have two small white flashes at both ends the same as in the photo below, in the Parkin book it shows one in maroon from the non-handbraked end showing the same (286 IIRC). I not sure if all the photos of these vehicles would have only been photod from one side.
I've just had a quick look in Parkin's book on MK1s and these vehicles only get a small mention, but what he says is that some of them were in the wagon fleet as tierwag. So could these be the ones with no roof lights or centre roof lights?
So maybe we need Paul B. to get involved with some of his wagon photos.
Interesting.
OzzyO.
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Do you have a Flickr link to those that look similar to the Hornsey EM pages please, I found them the other day and thought I'd book marked the page and despite searching for several hours the other night (I found the image posted above) could not 're' find them
Dog Star
Western Thunderer
Yesterday I did... today I cannot repeat the success.Do you have a Flickr link to those that look similar to the Hornsey EM pages please, I found them the other day and thought I'd book marked the page and despite searching for several hours the other night (I found the image posted above) could not 're' find them
However, there were retained links in the History and this is for E96289.
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OzzyO
Western Thunderer
Is this the sort of photos that you want?
Steam heat pipe and vac braked.
A bigger view,
Or this one showing, vac pipes air pipes and both steam and electric,
Then looking at this photo I'd say that the roof lights could be on both sides.
More so when you compare it with this photo, it looks like the lights could have been off set in the roof.
All of the above photos are only used to show points in the discussion and are not for free use.
OzzyO.
Steam heat pipe and vac braked.
A bigger view,
Or this one showing, vac pipes air pipes and both steam and electric,
Then looking at this photo I'd say that the roof lights could be on both sides.
More so when you compare it with this photo, it looks like the lights could have been off set in the roof.
All of the above photos are only used to show points in the discussion and are not for free use.
OzzyO.
Dog Star
Western Thunderer
The floor has been fitted into the bodyshell and with eight 6BA bolts to hold all together - not such an overkill as the two pairs in the middle of the vehicle act to retain the body line along the length of the vehicle. So making decisions about the floor / bufferbeam / in regard to bufferbeam projections is now imminent.
Brian, looking at your photos above and at the buffers on our bench... your buffer stocks are flush with the back of the buffer beam (as are ours) and only the rams / nuts project to foul the floor. As the buffer rams are likely to be removed whilst the body is painted - which you appear to have done - then having the rams removable is not a concern in regard to fitting / removing the floor. Similarly, having a removable coupling hook is not a problem. So looks like I do not need to cut slots in the end of the floor after all.
I notice that you have fitted a screw coupling at one end of the vehicle - after posting photos of how the floor was fitted - is the drawbar load taken on the rear face of the resin casting?
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Dog Star
Western Thunderer
I am not sure what looks different other than the top "link" being made from plates and pins, not what I would expect of a carriage coupling - then again these vehicles are much later than my interests.
Dog Star
Western Thunderer
The open portion of the hook looks about there - what is different to norm is behind that, the enlarged section to take the pin through the links and then a "squarish" section before the hook enters the coupling slot which is in landscape style to allow the hook to swing left / right. Looks like the bufferbeam has a box section to keep the hook and hence coupling further out from the bufferbeam face than normal.
Brian Daniels
Western Thunderer
Looks like an emergency screw coupling used Ozzyo.
My coupling is just sprung through the resin ends, they are quite thick and should take the strain. I did remove the buferheads to paint the wagon, the only bit that protrudes is as you say just the nuts that a little cutout will clear.
My coupling is just sprung through the resin ends, they are quite thick and should take the strain. I did remove the buferheads to paint the wagon, the only bit that protrudes is as you say just the nuts that a little cutout will clear.
Brian Daniels
Western Thunderer
Some pictures on Dennis Taylors 80's Rail site http://80srail.zenfolio.com/p904823333
OzzyO
Western Thunderer
Well done Brian it looks like an emergency screw coupling to me as well. On some of the NXAs that were branded for Motorail use some of them had drop head buckeyes fitted, but that does not explain the use of the emergency screw coupling. It could have been something in the appendices for the use of these vehicles?
In the above set of photos the one showing E96291E coupled to another N/C car carrier with the doors open (the one that you can't see the number of is E96299E) you can see that its got two sets of roof lights in it. When you look at it it does look like the roof lights are not off set from one another. That would explain why at one end one is closer to the end than on the other side, so that is about the only way you could tell one side from the other.
In the next photo showing E96299E at the unloading ramp wagon you can see the roof light very well on the R/H side of the vehicle but not so clear on the L/H side. You can just about make them out.
So if your worried about the time frame! I'd be more worried about the details in the kit (not that any kits have any mistakes in them). Or could there have been four different type of roof in such a small number of vehicles? No roof lights, roof lights down the centre, roof lights on one side and roof lights down both sides.
I know what I'd go for, I'd be getting the saw out, or just put a surround on the roof and covering them with paint and muck to look like roof lights.
OzzyO.
PS. how many of them were built? for both the wagon fleet and the passenger fleet.
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Brian Daniels
Western Thunderer
Well 96288 had offset roof lights, don't know about 289 but 290-299 have centred ones looking at the available pictures I would say. Begs the question, did they just do the first one or two with offsets and then realized their mistake?
What have I won Ozzyo for noticing the emergency coupling
What have I won Ozzyo for noticing the emergency coupling
Dog Star
Western Thunderer
I am not sure about this - the left hand vehicle is a Newton Chambers whilst the right hand vehicle is not, might be a GUV.
The coupling of the Newton Chambers vehicle vehicle is not being used to couple the two vehicles, so the vehicles must be coupled by either an emergency screw-link coupling or the screw-link coupling of the vehicle to the right of the photo. My reading of the coupling is that the right hand link is not passing through the open slot of the hook, the link looks to be extending beyond that slot... the point where the link passes through the coupling hook is not visible because of the angle of the photograph.
If I have understood what Mr. Taylor has said about these vehicles, together with the evidence from Mickoo, looks like E96286-89 had offset lights when built whilst E96290-99 had central lights when built.
Brian, why do you think that the offset lights was a mistake? And whose mistake - the designer of the prototype or us in buying a kit with offset lights rather than one with central lights?
regards, Graham
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Brian Daniels
Western Thunderer
Sorry I meant to say 96286-88 definatly had offset lights, I could not find a picture of 289 at the time. It just seems one of these querks that in 14 vehicles they are not all the same!