7mm On Heather's Workbench - another Broad Gauge journey

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
I think I'll call it a day on this. What's that saying about quitting while you're ahead?

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The main suspension units are in place. I need to make up the wheelsets and bearings but I wanted to get all the "hot" soldering sorted out before I fitted the whitemetal axle box and spring details.

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In a fit of excess I decided it wouldn't be a bad notion to sort out the body-to-underframe fixings at this stage. Going against my usual technique of ignoring the kit designer's ideas, I am actually using bolts through the ends. The earlier S6 build included provision for fitting coach lighting, and this beast will be no different. Last time I fitted pickups on an outer pair of wheels, with the wire running up inside one end, behind the styrene partition board. This coach has a central luggage compartment, so I plan to run wires up into that space instead.

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So, there we are. Underframe fitted to the body, or should that be the other way round? That feels like an achievement.
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
I felt I was in danger of my mojo shuffling off and having a good time without me. A couple of builds are beginning to take their toll of my time and patience. A large black lump, particularly, has been giving me grief - though I think I may have one more final solution to that.

So, to rein in the mojo before it escaped, I set about getting the wheels and springs installed on this coach.

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Although not at the full-up weight, it runs nice and sweetly. Of course, brake gear and lighting pickups need to go in, so that's going to make a difference.

I think the whitemetal cast parts on the solebar ought to be next up.
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
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I think that'll do for today. All the spring and axle box parts in place.

The cast springs had droppers that are supposed to fit into the J-hangers. The droppers were bent at all angles, so I nipped them off and drilled for some wire to fit through. It worked, after a fashion.

Steps, then the brake knitting can begin.
 
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Overseer

Western Thunderer
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I think that'll do for today. All the spring and axle box parts in place.

The cast springs had droppers that are supposed to fit into the J-hangers. The droppers were bent at all angles, so I nipped them off and drilled for some wire to fit through. It worked, after a fashion.

Steps, then the brake knitting can begin.
Hi Heather,
Looks good and I am trying to resist the temptation of another distraction at the moment. I know practically nothing about GW broad gauge carriages but it looks like you have shorter springs on the centre axle. The original drawings (non GWR) of 6 wheelers I have seen usually have longer springs, or one less leaf, on the centre axle presumably to avoid oscillation from end to end. Did the GWR do things their own way? Either way the springs will probably not be obvious once the footboards are fitted.
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
All good questions, to which my answers have to be (a) they are what came in the kit and (b) I have no idea!

All the spring castings were identical, so the shorter appearance is an optical illusion. As you say, once the footboards are on it is less obvious. One of the things I have discovered about modelling the broad gauge is if it's not been published or drawn up somewhere, you are into interpreting photos and guesstimating from what happened on similar vehicles of the time. This appears to be accepted as the way things are by BG modellers, so I am content to muddle along as best I can. It's all part of the fun. The society officers are always helpful, particularly the stores manager who has helped me enormously with my queries about what to use, where to source it, and how to overcome shortcomings with the kits available. While the former IKB kits come with most of the required castings, I am making substitutions at the client's behest on things like the footboard brackets, couplings and buffers.

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The footboards are on, so I can begin to finagle the brake gear into the underframe. As with previous builds, this will feature the lovely outside rod system that was retrofitted to these coaches. The footboards are from milled brass L-section, sourced from Eileen's Emporium. I need to get some more in stock.

Meanwhile, I have been doing some plastic surgery to see if the Slater's seat mouldings, intended for the narrow gauge coaches, can be extended in width.

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I think that's a yes, don't you?
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
In fairly short order I have compartment partitions and seats ready for paint.

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I think a floor will be useful. I'm tempted to make it in a couple of sections. I am making educated guesses about the internal appearance, with a planked floor in the second class, and something smooth like a carpet in first. I also need to allow some space for a little ballast to add weight to the model.
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
And here we are with some floor. I've decided to leave the luggage floor out for the time being, as this is where lighting pickups will come into the bodywork. I can leave the floor as a loose section which drops in later.

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You can't see it in this shot, but I have scribed the partition planking. I need to remind myself of the upholstery colours.
 

OzzyO

Western Thunderer
Think that the spacing between compartments was not the same. It could be be 5" between 1st class, then 3" between 2nd class, then only the thickness of the board between 3rd class .

OzzO.
 

Locomodels

Western Thunderer
Think that the spacing between compartments was not the same. It could be be 5" between 1st class, then 3" between 2nd class, then only the thickness of the board between 3rd class .

OzzO.


Surely the spacing is governed by the coach side etch. Can't do much about that.
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
Today I have been roofing.

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Having worked out the size of the roof, I cut a sheet of brass to size. I allowed for overhangs on ends and sides this time, but still managed to get it out of kilter. Eventually, since the error was larger, I got things the right size. The centre line was marked, and compartments sketched in so the oil lamp holes could be marked out. The books show no lamp over the luggage compartment.

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Having drilled out the holes for the lamp castings, the curve was formed in the customary manner.

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Removable roofs are customary, too, so sheet material was made up and soldered in the ends to give a sliding fit in the body.

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Not bad, but a marked tendency to bow in the middle led me to fitting further bracing ribs, roughly aligned with the compartments.

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Now it fits much more neatly. Tomorrow will be the rainstrips. I can't keep putting off the brake gear.
 

Ian@StEnochs

Western Thunderer
Hi Heather,

Milled brass section, a warning.

I have just been reading your thread and note that you are using milled brass sections for the footboards. I used the same stuff on a rake of coaches but had to file one leg down a bit as the only section available was too high for the rear upstand and the front edge was tapered off to show a more prototypical thickness. The boards were soldered to lost wax cast brass brackets fixed into the sole bars. It looked good and was fine for a while.

However! The coaches were not used for a couple of years after I took my layout off the circuit and were stored in their transport boxes. When I took them out for a show with my new layout, disaster, every one of the top footboards had curled upwards and broken the solder joints on the outer two or three brackets. The lower boards, which have additional cutouts for the axle boxes, were as fitted.

I deduced that there had been some stress in the brass which was upset by filing the edges and the small but constant force had put the solder joints in tension which over time caused the joint failure. All metals have internal stresses which are released when cut into. I knew that and have taken steps in bigger sections but it never occurred to me that the thin section would also react.

I removed all the boards, stripped off the paint and solder, straightened them. The bottom ones did curl a little on removal but the weakened section at the axleboxes probably bent and reduced the tension on the joints. I then annealed the brass by heating with a flame till dull red and allowing them to cool slowly. The brass is a bit softer but since refitting there have been no further failures.

Sorry to bring this up but my experience might save a problem in the future.

Regards,

Ian.
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
Ooer! Thanks for that warning, Ian. The section I got from Eileen's Emporium, and apart from shortening for length hasn't been otherwise adapted. Fingers crossed it remains okay after the trek Down Under. I should say the previous two coaches survived their trip, and I'm kept up to date with their new life. The client will let me know if the footboards suffer any curling, I'm sure.

Yesterday I fitted rainstrips. I filed down some 0.7mm brass wire to give flat sides, and then soldered them in place on the roof. I filed them down a little further during the cleaning up process.

Today, still putting off the brake rigging, I fitted safety chains, buffer stocks and lamp brackets. There's not much left to distract me from the brake bits…

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Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
Thanks John!

Yesterday was spent knitting the brass work for the brake gear. Today I shall make and fit the outside clasp rods.

Photos later.
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
At last, the brake gear. I always make a meal of this, even though on the surface it's quite simple. What makes it harder, I suppose, is having to make things fit after having chopped the underframe apart.

Dedicated followers of my broad gauge ramblings will recall that these coaches were constructed before the advent of continuous automatic braking. In fact, I'm not even sure they had any form of braking, not even a hand brake when they rolled out of the works. During their lifetimes, though, both braking was fitted and lighting upgraded.

This "after the fact" brake fitting must have followed some official pattern. There seems to be little available about it from the usual sources - or should I say the sources I actually have to hand. I rely on the IKB instructions, and some photo references, in order to make a best guess as to layout. For example, there doesn't appear to be a hard and fast rule about where the vacuum cylinder and cross-shaft was fitted. It does appear, though, that the vacuum pipe stands at each end did not cross the centreline in the manner that was adopted as standard later on. The stands appear to be fitted to the ends of the coach on the same side as the vacuum cylinder, unless the latter was fitted centrally - as does sometimes occur, just to muddy the already cloudy waters still further!

Anyway, without an actual photograph of the actual coach I am building, I must rely on previous experience, the resources I have, and educated guesswork. I am satisfied I can make a reproduction of something that might have existed. Whether it's a true representation of a real installation must be quietly pushed to one side. My client is happy enough, it seems.

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Since this kit included the brake vee-hangers, this sort of fixed where the cylinder should go. The Dean cylinder design worked the other way up to the more familiar later designs. Where a "modern" system would have the cylinder suspended from trunnions, with the operating rod pushed and pulled up and down, the Dean system fixes the central piston rod to the chassis frames, and the whole cylinder moves up and down instead. I chopped the cast piston off and used the supplied mounting bracket etch to hook the cylinder to one of the cross braces. The location is dictated by the looped levers to the cross-shaft, albeit a little too close. I suspect the casting is a mite over scale, or the levers aren't long enough.

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The next stage was to fit the brake shoes and associated levers. Both levers pass through the brake shoes. The innermost levers are fixed to pivot points on the frames, with a bracing strut between, the levers being at right angles to the wheels. The outermost levers sit at an angle. For a standard narrow gauge build, all the parts may well fit properly. Since this is a widened chassis with replacement footboards and bracketry, some measure of adjustment is required to ensure the levers protrude beyond the axleboxes sufficiently. The pivot point rod also had to be relocated, as well as a replacement bracing strut fabricated. The electrical wires are for the putative coach lighting system, with wiper pickups on one wheelset.

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After some mild cusswork I managed to figure out a way to run the pull rods from the cross-shaft to the shoe levers. There must be a way the real thing dealt with a pair of pull rods meeting on one adjuster, but I deal with it by popping the wire into the nearest holes and leaving it at that. I suspect there was some kind of Y-shaped attachment involved. Happily, with this build, I found I had a surfeit of etched clevises and so on, so I was able to fit adjusters at each outer end. Working out where pull rods may or may not have passed over or under axles and so on is an exercise in frustration. In this case it is made worse by the suspension system forcing the axle down. To overcome this on the longer rods, I have introduced a subtle bend to help clear the axle. Hopefully it won't be too obvious when things are up the right way and covered in dark gunge.

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Finally, time for the outer clasp rods.

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Four sets of three parts each: single clevis, length of rod, adjuster. Oh, and some 0.5mm wire bent up to little L-shapes to drop into the holes to hold it all together. It kept me occupied for about two hours, folding, drilling, soldering. I'm quite pleased with this rendition, being my third attempt at such an underframe. I think it's turned out reasonably well.

The only bother now is I have to paint the model!
 
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Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
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The roof has been all but completed! I need to crack on with the body and underframe painting now.

As ever, other things distracted me, but in between the distractions I have been considering the interior. It's come to my notice that the first class seating was quite plush. In the usual Victorian manner, it was buttoned upholstery, and also featured separate seat cushions and armrests. From what I can glean, the seats were upholstered with red Moroccan leather. Now, I'm okay about avoiding the button detail, but I had been trying to figure out the armrests.

Some interwebbing later and the penny dropped. Slater's make the very parts to convert their seat kits. An order wings its way to Matlock post haste!

Meanwhile, I'm trying to discover what the second class seating would have been covered with. I wonder if the trick I used for the LNWR upholstery - printing pseudo buttoned seats - would work.
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
... I had been trying to figure out the armrests. ... Slater's make the very parts to convert their seat kits.
By the end of the 19th century the first class compartments had arm rests /headrests to each seat whilst third class had arm rests fixed only to the compartment wall. We shall be watching ;) .
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
From my sources it seems, for the period I'm modelling which is late 1880s, first class had armrests on the sides and one in the middle. Imagine two two-seater leather sofas squashed together.

Second seems to have just the outer rests.
 
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