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Discussion in 'WR Action' started by Heather Kay, 8 January 2020.
The bunker has been filled in to allow for a modicum of best Welsh.
Stupid question time: what’s the route code for these locos?
I understand it’s a yellow disc, but what letter?
Power Class C (3MT)
I did try to work it out from the HMRS Great Western Way, but only managed the disc colour!
Fair play Heather, fair play. Beautiful work.
This is as close as I can get!
Slowly slowly catchy monkey
Keep at it, it's coming along nicely
I think we had the same image!
Ta. Nearly there, apart from the electronickery. My job, really, is to get the thing reassembled, get it slightly weathered, take some nice photos of it, and then let the client know it’s ready for the next phase.
The number plates arrived this morning, and they’ve had a first coat of satin black slapped on them. A further incentive to achieve completion as soon as I can. Besides, I’ve got such a backlog of work the forthcoming lorry queues on the M20 are chicken feed by comparison.
It’s always satisfying when you rub the paint away from the raised areas, and give it a bit of a buff.
(Don’t talk to me about manicures. Fingernails get used for all kinds of jobs, and they never stay neat and tidy for long. )
Just to add to Dave's photo here's one of mine. I have a series of photos of 4566 including the letters if you haven't added them yet.
In the photos I took the yellow disc is in a different location on 4566 than the one in Dave's photo.
Also when the loco was painted black the yellow C was where Dave's is.
Here's a shot of 4566 in black side on.
Cheers Dave! Very helpful.
Just to muddy the waters a little, here are photos of the RH cabside of 4569. First, in service, 1964.
Second, on the Swindon scrap line 1964.
As you can see, the disc/letter is just below the handrail.
Contrast this with the loco just 4 years earlier - 27Jul60:
Here, the disc/letter is just above the numberplate. As everyone says, work from a dated photo if you want absolute accuracy!
An excellent point.
I have two photos of 4567. One is pre-war with the full GREAT WESTERN on the tank. It doesn’t appear to have the route disc anywhere. The other is post-war, with GWR on the tank. That one shows a route disc above the number plate.
I am supposed to be rendering the model in mid-1930s condition, so I guess the pre-war image is where I ought to be heading.
Other locos show the route disc in a variety of places, including the cab panel ahead of the side opening, on the sliding shutter!
Pre-war, the usual place seems to have been on the cab side thus:
4505 at Newton Abbot c1930. Photographer unknown.
It’s not always easy to discern the discs on pre-war photos.
When shutters were fitted, the discs initially appeared on the shutters but were soon moved to just above the number plate (to facilitate visibility in blackout conditions apparently).
I think I may go with the discs in the orthodox position above the number plate. It’s what is generally expected.
"At last!" I can hear being muttered everywhere.
Pre-war, I don't think they were ever above the numberplate on this class. Every prewar photo I have of this class shows the disc as shown in my photo above but it's your build....!
Again, good points.
Honestly, at this stage, I just want it finished. I’m not really bothered by historical accuracy. I will check with the client, though.
Further evidence (photographers unknown):
It is there on 4549!
On the shutter - pre-nationalisation
My only (poor) photo of 4567 shows no disc at all!
I'd go with Dave on this (but it's the client's call, of course) because it would niggle me no end.
Lovely work, Heather.
You see, that photo of 4567 is my problem. I’ve elected to fit the cab shutters to this model. That pushes its actual dating to quite late in the 1930s, but still pre-war. It ought to be right to assume when the shutters were fitted during a works visit the route discs would have been painted at the same time on the shutters.
I’ll put the evidence to the client. I think he’s probably going to admit to not being all that fussed, but I'd rather it was his decision.
Transfers (and paintwork in general) always give me the jitters. Excellent timing, when I need a steady hand. No matter how much measuring and markings out, something is usually on the squiff. Indeed, the first transfer above went on crooked, despite all the measuring. It had to come off, and a second attempt was made. That, too, was a bit off, but I have managed to correct it. Extra effort has been made with the other side, but it’ll still be crooked, you can guarantee it!