Painting and lining

Discussion in 'Gallery' started by warren haywood, 24 January 2013.

  1. warren haywood

    warren haywood Western Thunderer


    Just having a play trying to get a photo uploaded.
    Once ive sussed it out i have a few pictures of work i have done today showing how to finish one of the sancheng ready to run locos and also a brass loco

  2. warren haywood

    warren haywood Western Thunderer

    Ah that worked:)
  3. 7mmMick

    7mmMick Western Thunderer

    Your first picture looks great to me Warren, looking forward to seeing more,

    ATB Mick
  4. Ressaldar

    Ressaldar Western Thunderer

    Hi Warren,

    a great paint job on a great loco, well done:thumbs::thumbs::bowdown:


  5. warren haywood

    warren haywood Western Thunderer

    Started a few paint jobs today, a couple of which are from Sancheng. One is a Jubilee in Factory finished green and the other a brass Crab.
    I will try to show and explain how i go about finishing these locos. First job on the painted loco is to improve the factory finish which is poor. The colours are all wrong (the blacks ok:)) and are also far too flat and have a gritty texture.


    The first job is to dismantle the model into its basic sub assemblies then mask off the cab roof and smokebox. Then I give it a coat of cellulose red oxide as a base coat. This is celly paint not primer. Only cellulose paint works, experience has taught me that it is the only type of paint which will bond to the factory paint work.

    Now a coat of cellulose deep bronze green can be applied, this gives a lovely smooth gloss finish.


    When compared to the original factory finish its easy to see the improvement. This procedure takes only half an hour from start to finish and is well worth the effort. The loco is now left for a couple of hours for the cellulose to fully harden.



    The above picture shows repainted finish on left and factory finish on right. Although the colours look similar , they are quite different, just my average photography skills.
    The Crab has been scrubbed with viakal and will be left to dry off overnight before a coat of etching primer is applied.
    Start the lining tomorrow.....

  6. warren haywood

    warren haywood Western Thunderer

    Something gone wron that time, no photos...........stumped
    Does any one know what ive done wrong

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  7. adrian

    adrian Flying Squad


    Not sure what happened with the images. I've just run a test post and managed to upload a photo, others are posting photos in other threads. After uploading the photo's I presume you clicked on the insert full size or thumbnail image. If you are still having problems then you could try emailing them to me and I'll see if I can upload them for you.


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  8. warren haywood

    warren haywood Western Thunderer

  9. warren haywood

    warren haywood Western Thunderer

    Adrian, dont know what i did but something worked
    Cheers Warren
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  10. TheSnapper

    TheSnapper Western Thunderer

    Hi Warren

    Great finish on that tender! I too have seen some of your fab work on the Guild Forums.

    Any chance of more details on paint & thinners used (make/BS number,ratio) & equipment, spraying pressure used etc?


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  11. warren haywood

    warren haywood Western Thunderer

    The paint i use is Clostermann cellulose, its hard wearing and very smooth, the black is particularly good. Its available from a company in Swindon called AP Western.

    I mix it 1part paint to 2or3 parts thinners, which must be high gloss easyflow, this allows a slightly longer drying time (1 minute rather than a few seconds) so that the paint can settle out and stops a sandpaper finish.

    I spray at about 15psi, a mist to start with then a heavy 'thug' spray, which takes practice but gives that wondorful smooth glossy finish which only celly does.

    For the green i use BS 224 deep bronze green
    The oxide can be any redish brown, i use RAL3009

    Hope this helps

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  12. TheSnapper

    TheSnapper Western Thunderer

    Thanks Warren.

    I've used RAL6007 Bottle Green which appears to be similar. I agree cellulose gives a great finish.

    Do you always use a Red Oxide base for Green?

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  13. warren haywood

    warren haywood Western Thunderer


    Only on the factory painted models, it seams to fill out better than the green toget rid of the crap finish. On brass models a light coat of etch primer then straight on with the green.

    Right, on with the lining now:)

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  14. warren haywood

    warren haywood Western Thunderer

    Now that the cellulose has fully hardened the lining can start.

    Tools required are a good ruling pen, a ruling pen compass, some dividers for setting out distances from edges and also line widths, a good quality size 00 brush and a heavy steel ruler which will not slip.


    The straight lines are rulled on first, set 1.3mm apart which is 2 1/4" in o gauge and 3mm in from the edge which is about 5"


    With a damp brush the lines can be cut back to the correct length, to allow for a 4" radius curve.

    View attachment 17140

    The smudges can be wiped away with a dry cotton bud after 24hrs then the black line will be added

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  15. warren haywood

    warren haywood Western Thunderer

    Lost 2 pics, here they are....


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  16. warren haywood

    warren haywood Western Thunderer

    Sorry about the messy posts but i think i am on top of it now

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  17. SteveO

    SteveO Guest

    When you say damp brush, is it water or thinners? Lovely work, by the way. Have seen your paint and lining on the GOG site and was always very impressed.
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  18. Rob Pulham

    Rob Pulham Western Thunderer

    Hi Warren do you use anything to create the radius on the curved corners of the lining? Or is it free hand with the fine brush?
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  19. warren haywood

    warren haywood Western Thunderer

    Steve, just plain old white spirit, blotted off on kitchen roll till the brush is almost dry,

    Rob, its free hand, its amazing what you can acheive with a bit of practice. The cab front below was all free hand.

  20. warren haywood

    warren haywood Western Thunderer

    002.JPG Got some paint on the crab, firstly sprayed gloss black then cab roof, footplate, smokebox and tender coalspace sprayed matt black. Once this receives a coat of laquer at the end the difference will be less drastic although visible. I think this makes a big difference to black locos.
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